I dunno if I get all the excitement about all these .380 Pocket guns. Looks like this one is more-or-less the same size and weight of the Kahr PM9 or the Kel-Tec PF9, same capacity, but those are in 9x19mm
Looks like a photochop of a Glock frame and an S&W M&P slide. Is this company even for real? The effort that went into the manual says this is more than some graphics arts students project, but the photos have an odd look to them.
$430 for a plastic 6 shot 380. Really? MORE money than a Kel-Tec, Ruger, etc. Similar money as a NAA guardian in all steel. Good luck.
It needs to be in 9×19!!!! Come on guys, 9×19.. 9mm Luger, 9mm Parabellum, or just 9mm. NOT .380. Heck, .380 is HARD TO FIND!!! Even 9×18, Makarov, is easier to find than .380s.
9×19 is the answer. That little pistol could weigh 12 ounces, with the excess in the slide weight. I don’t even care if it has a slide stop. Just make sure it’s in 9×19.
at one time I had two Browning .380’s I thought they were great little guns and I could wear them to dinner without fear of anyone detecting them. I don’t know how far they would penetrate a human, but I do know that they would penetrate a railroad tie to a depth of about 4 inches. That was good enough for an alternate carry gun, when bigger was impractical. I know very few people who are harder that a railroad tie. Hell, I don’t know any.
But for a gun that’s of a J-frame size .380 is a stopgap from years past. Now you can build these guns in 9×19, .40 S&W and .45 ACP. Bring more gun!
Most people can’t shoot their PF-9/PM-9/PM-40 well enough to win a gunfight in a phone booth. Better a .380 that the 25rds/month shooter has a hope of getting on paper than a Mighty Pocket .45 that they couldn’t hit a barn with, even from the inside with the door closed.
I dunno, Tam. If my wife who openly admits to have near ZERO upper body strenth can out shoot me with a J-frame airweight I can’t others doing much worse with a 9mm Auto-chucker.
No, they’re not the easiest guns in the world to shoot.
No, they’re not a lot of fun to shoot with high recoil and small grips.
But if I may be so bold, much like racking the slide of the 1911, it’s bullshit to say that any able-bodied man woman and child can’t do it, as with proper technique and a little practice it can be done and repeated.
First off, it is surprising how much recoil can affect the first shot. Apparently “beginner’s luck” is mostly “hasn’t developed bad habits yet.”
And with enough time effort and money I can (in theory) win the Boston marathon despite the back injury. The kicker is, time and money are in short supply thus the effort isn’t worth the pain.
Most gun owners are not gun nuts. They see a gun the way you see a fire extinguisher or seat belt- just in case/ hope to never need it.
The whole “proper technique” idea seems to be the problem. Who is going to teach them, or are they to figure it out for themselves? How much time, effort, money, pain, and frustration should people be expected to go though until they become “good enough”? (Before you answer, ask yourself that question again but add to the end “to own a gun” and you can see where I’m coming from.)
Non-enthusiast have a right to self-defense too.
Then you have the gunnies who own j frames but never shoot them. Why go to the range pay good money just to struggle with a small gun when it is soooo fun and self gratifying to hit the target with the full size service auto?
December 8th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
I checked out the website. Am I blind or does that pistol not have a slide release?
December 8th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
I dunno if I get all the excitement about all these .380 Pocket guns. Looks like this one is more-or-less the same size and weight of the Kahr PM9 or the Kel-Tec PF9, same capacity, but those are in 9x19mm
I’d just prefer to bring a little more gun.
December 8th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Looks like and Old school Beretta and a Glock had a baby
December 8th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Looks like a photochop of a Glock frame and an S&W M&P slide. Is this company even for real? The effort that went into the manual says this is more than some graphics arts students project, but the photos have an odd look to them.
$430 for a plastic 6 shot 380. Really? MORE money than a Kel-Tec, Ruger, etc. Similar money as a NAA guardian in all steel. Good luck.
December 8th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=149107633
December 8th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
It needs to be in 9×19!!!! Come on guys, 9×19.. 9mm Luger, 9mm Parabellum, or just 9mm. NOT .380. Heck, .380 is HARD TO FIND!!! Even 9×18, Makarov, is easier to find than .380s.
9×19 is the answer. That little pistol could weigh 12 ounces, with the excess in the slide weight. I don’t even care if it has a slide stop. Just make sure it’s in 9×19.
December 9th, 2009 at 2:35 am
at one time I had two Browning .380’s I thought they were great little guns and I could wear them to dinner without fear of anyone detecting them. I don’t know how far they would penetrate a human, but I do know that they would penetrate a railroad tie to a depth of about 4 inches. That was good enough for an alternate carry gun, when bigger was impractical. I know very few people who are harder that a railroad tie. Hell, I don’t know any.
December 9th, 2009 at 8:02 am
+1 to Paul.
I guess I can see fitting a .380 into the uber-micro pistols like the P3AT, NAA Guardian, Ruger LCP, Kahr P380, ect.
But for a gun that’s of a J-frame size .380 is a stopgap from years past. Now you can build these guns in 9×19, .40 S&W and .45 ACP. Bring more gun!
December 9th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Most people can’t shoot their PF-9/PM-9/PM-40 well enough to win a gunfight in a phone booth. Better a .380 that the 25rds/month shooter has a hope of getting on paper than a Mighty Pocket .45 that they couldn’t hit a barn with, even from the inside with the door closed.
December 9th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
I dunno, Tam. If my wife who openly admits to have near ZERO upper body strenth can out shoot me with a J-frame airweight I can’t others doing much worse with a 9mm Auto-chucker.
No, they’re not the easiest guns in the world to shoot.
No, they’re not a lot of fun to shoot with high recoil and small grips.
But if I may be so bold, much like racking the slide of the 1911, it’s bullshit to say that any able-bodied man woman and child can’t do it, as with proper technique and a little practice it can be done and repeated.
December 9th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
First off, it is surprising how much recoil can affect the first shot. Apparently “beginner’s luck” is mostly “hasn’t developed bad habits yet.”
And with enough time effort and money I can (in theory) win the Boston marathon despite the back injury. The kicker is, time and money are in short supply thus the effort isn’t worth the pain.
Most gun owners are not gun nuts. They see a gun the way you see a fire extinguisher or seat belt- just in case/ hope to never need it.
The whole “proper technique” idea seems to be the problem. Who is going to teach them, or are they to figure it out for themselves? How much time, effort, money, pain, and frustration should people be expected to go though until they become “good enough”? (Before you answer, ask yourself that question again but add to the end “to own a gun” and you can see where I’m coming from.)
Non-enthusiast have a right to self-defense too.
Then you have the gunnies who own j frames but never shoot them. Why go to the range pay good money just to struggle with a small gun when it is soooo fun and self gratifying to hit the target with the full size service auto?