Stop touching it
Remember when we talked about pooping while carrying and, you know, how it was dumb to take it out of the holster and all that? Well, here’s one reason why. Seems an officer used the TTAG approved method of removing his gun while doing number 2. He left the gun in the bathroom and it was later used in a shooting death.
Stop touching it.
October 22nd, 2012 at 9:43 am
“Proffessional courtesy”? Didn’t report the lost gun ’til the next day? What kind of crap is that. If a carry permit holder had left his pistol and this happened it would of been all over the news and charges would have been filed on the gun owner.
October 22nd, 2012 at 10:18 am
How about suggesting people be mindful while touching it? Inattention is the problem here, not gun handling.
Besides, the entire “using the can while carrying” gunblog conversation is so male-centric. While you boys are quibbling about how best to use the potty (stall or urinal? stand up or sit down?), ladies who CCW have more difficult matters to consider.
For instance, try changing your tampon while carrying.
October 22nd, 2012 at 11:05 am
breda – that’s waaay too much info!
In almost 40 years of carrying – professionally and as an armed citizen – I left my carry weapon behind precisely once: I got an emergency call to an unknown details vehicle accident – semi vs passenger car; while I was in the process of booking a prisoner into the jail. In my haste to respond to this potentially devastating accident, I left my revolver behind (yep – it was back in the olden days – just barely beyond horseback as primary means of travel!).
2 positives (besides the accident turning out to be relatively minor: 1) I didn’t need my firearm to protect myself or any one else; 2) it was locked in a vault so NO ONE else could get it.
Positive weapon control for ALL users is paramount at all times, regardless of who the carrier is. If anyone is unwilling to maintain that positive control, perhaps they should NOT be carrying a firearm.
October 22nd, 2012 at 11:55 am
I don’t get it.
Leave it in the holster, the holster attached to your pants, and drop trou. Tada!
What is there to talk about?
I’d assume carrying in a kilt is a good bit like carrying in a skirt, and you can either gather it up about your waist, or drop it down just like pants.
This ain’t rocket surgery.
October 22nd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Once again the ‘professional’ screws it up… And WHY did they wait?
October 22nd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
GomeznSA – sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities. I guess we should just purse carry our pink snubbies and not worry our pretty little heads, right?
October 22nd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
So talking about losing a gun while you’re taking a dump in the head is ok but mentioning a tampon is TMI?
October 22nd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
TomcatTCH has it right. But that only works if you have good gear. If you insist in carrying in a crappy holster, all your choices become crappy … and so might your gun, if you’re not careful in the restroom. 😉
October 22nd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
I think the issue with just dropping your trousers is that it leaves it within grabbing reach of those with “wide stances” or nefarious intent.
October 22nd, 2012 at 2:08 pm
I think it’s a stupidly written story. First off, a gun didn’t kill anyone. That man killed himself. Secondly, what does “suburban” have to do with anything? Suburbs are evil and warp the minds of men?
October 22nd, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Aviation people solved this problem years ago: Checklists.
Post dump:
Stand up, button up, zip up, belt up.
Pat down: Wallet, car keys, phone, in pocket, not commode; weapon in holster, secured.
Face the world again.
“Testicles, spectacles, watch and wallet”
October 22nd, 2012 at 2:43 pm
rickn8or – Bingo, mindfulness.
October 22nd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
It’s pretty difficult to tuck a shirt in when you have a heavy gun on one side and ammo on the other side pulling opposite sides of your trousers down.
October 22nd, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Put it in your underwear. I promise you won’t forget it.
Disavowed With Honor
October 22nd, 2012 at 8:31 pm
As a ‘back-pew’ Baptist, I may be wrong on this. But, isn’t it spectacles, testicles, wallet, then watch? Just asking. Now, where did I put that tampon…..
October 22nd, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Everybody’s got a plan until their heater ends up in the turd bowl.
October 22nd, 2012 at 11:18 pm
You can just let it flop between your feet if you have a stiff holster.
October 22nd, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Jerry, you really ARE a Baptist aren’t you??
“Mine is the TRUE version you heretic!”
There. I feel better now.
October 23rd, 2012 at 1:02 am
“You can just let it flop between your feet if you have a stiff holster”.
Nobody likes a braggart.
October 23rd, 2012 at 7:30 am
In my office, I am forbidden from carrying. I do anyway. The stall walls in the restrooms do not go low enough to provide concealment of what is in my pants from those who walk into the room. (I carry on my right hip, the right-side of the stalls faces the door. Anyone walking in can see clear under most of the stalls very easily.) For the sake of my job, I must remove it from the quality IWB holster I use. As Disavowed said, put it in your underwear, you won’t forget it. I do this several times a week. I take every necessary precaution, including decocking the striker (Walther P99) prior to removing from holster. This leaves no room for error. The restroom is also frequently enough empty that it’s no issue for me to wait until I am alone prior to picking up the piece and retrieving my trousers from around my ankles. Some common sense, following the 4 rules, and being clear-minded is all it takes to do this safely.
October 23rd, 2012 at 10:59 am
I sometimes think TTAG is in their “jump the shark” moment?
October 23rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Spectacles, testicles, watch, wallet–at least for those of us who wear a watch on our left wrist and keep our wallet in our right back pocket, though the traditional order of the last two is usually reversed (wallets were often carried in the left breast pocket, and watches in the right pocket). Entirely TMI of a different sort, I suppose.
October 23rd, 2012 at 9:02 pm
One thing I noticed was a complete lack of any statement about how the officer would be disciplined or any internal affairs investigation that had or would be performed. Shocking I know.