Lessons learned from the NY biker attack
Oleg has some good advice. And I strongly agree with the first one so try to stay in America.
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October 8th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Interesting that all comments there focus on platform and ammo, no discussion of the kids armed as primary or backup defense. Situations and contexts vary, but I ain’t sure about that one.
October 9th, 2013 at 2:41 am
Recommending a .223 pistol? I don’t know about that. I’ve heard the muzzle blast from a PLR-16 is pretty ferocious. That makes it more of a range toy than a practical firearm for self-defense. Who has time to don hearing protection in an emergency?
And is a 30 round mag really required? Sure it’s great comfort to have when facing a mob, but I bet mere display of a snubbie would suffice to scare off a helmet armed attacker most of the time, no shooting needed. How common would peppering an entire hostile crowd with gunfire really be necessary?
October 9th, 2013 at 2:51 am
YAY! A PLR-16! SQUEE!!
Also, no one is discussing that 5 of the people involved including one attacker was an off duty cop.
October 9th, 2013 at 3:11 am
CCW, castle doctrine, and regarding the vehicle as an extension of one’s home are all good laws to have on your side, but they don’t deter cops; they fully expect those not to apply to them. So no, cops in Cali and NY aren’t worse than cops in similarly sized cities in saner states. Cf. Nevada, which has those laws … and they did nothing for Erik Scott… and Jose Guerena was in Arizona, wasn’t he?
October 9th, 2013 at 9:39 am
Which would work in your favor against multiple attackers, don’t you think?
This calls for the standard “your gun is crap” response:
Can I shoot you with it? No? Why not?
October 9th, 2013 at 9:55 am
PLR16 does have a considerable muzzle blast. That’s the down side. Linear compensators (like http://kawvalleyprecision.com) help. Suppressors help but also unbalance the gun too much for one-handed use. Ideally, the muzzle goes outside the window before the shot is fired, though that also exposes the weapon to slipstream at higher speeds and can affect aim.
October 9th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Here is something to ponder. Let’s say this incident happened in a gun-friendly state, exactly as it did in NY and with all variables remaining the same. Let us say further that the father was carrying at the time of the incident.
Pop quiz:
(1) How many years in prison would the father have gotten if he had shot the undercover/off-duty officer attacking his car and threatening his family?
(2) What is the probability that the father would have been convicted by a jury of his peers, even though the undercover/off-duty police officer initiated the assault and the father had no way to know the assailant was a police officer?
(3) What is the likelihood that the father would have been killed by responding officers after the assailing cop had sent an “Officer Down!” distress call?
October 9th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
I think, if I had to use a rifle caliber pistol, I’d prefer a 7.62x39mm pistol. As far as I know, the M43 round is less susceptible to performance degradation at short range than the 5.56mm.
October 9th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Several states made it explicitly legal to shoot cops who are breaking the law.
October 9th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Mike: A lot of those questions depend on how much video evidence there is. What it covers and when (IE how much is covered before shots are fired).
Yes juries normally take the police’s word as gospel, but if there’s video evidence that *might* change things.
And this is really part of a larger problem. If you are attacked by X how do you know it’s not a wrong house no knock raid, B&E on the side by corrupt cops, or undercover cops taking part in a mob attack?
Heck, on a small scale what if you get mugged and you find out (after the fact, or durring) that the mugger is a plainclothes?
October 9th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
“I’ve heard the muzzle blast from a PLR-16 is pretty ferocious”
The correct unit of comparison is either a snubbie .357 Magnum shooting .357 Magnum Federal Personal Defense 125 Grain JHP Bullet or perhaps a Mosin-Nagant M38 shooting Hungarian milsurp ammo.
Anyone want to volunteer to do the testing at an indoor range? I’ve got my soft earplugs and earmuffs and am half deaf already, so let’s go!