Whatever works. Mr. Eggimann shows no signs of having been acquainted with the concept of the rail cover, but to each his own. He could probably kick my ass in IPSC three gun, but I bet I could at least hold my own in aerial rifle shooting using any fairly common grip style anyone wants to assign to me.
According to the guys at Magpul, that straight-arm, thumb-forward rifle hold came about so as to mimic to the degree possible the now standard two-thumbs forward pistol hold. That made a certain amount of sense, at least in running and gunning drills.
There’s no one “correct” hold, except for that particular hold you were using when you pulled off a successful shot or a winning stage.
If I have to take careful aim on a distant target, and I have no choice but to stand unsupported, my support arm elbow is going to be down against my ribs, and depending on the rifle, my support hand may be under the magazine, my body twisted up for as much skeletal support as possible. This is the opposite of the dynamic, running-and-gunning, muscle-supported holds. So you need to practice a lot of different holds and positions and be able to acquire them quickly.
The most “practical” rifle shooting any of us are likely to actually engage in is hunting, and so finding a more stable, more supported position is more important than one in which you can engage a lot of targets quickly and move quickly from spot to spot. Most of my kill shots using a rifle were taken from sitting, and only two from standing unsupported. Wing shooting with a shotgun on multiple targets may represent a situation where the Magpul/Eggimann/IPSC type hold, or whatever it is to be called, could be a real benefit. I don’t know. It would depend on the shotgun for one thing, and maybe there’s another reason to have an auto-loader.
My gripe is the use of the squared up shooting position, which really has nothing to do with the grip. Squaring up is great if you are wearing body armor…but makes you a bigger target when you are not. Please…take a bladed stance…it still works fine even with a beard.
Looks like they’re using VG’s to support a certain grip style advocated by some high speed instructors.
That style looks great on competition field and instructor demos, but the squared off manner these guys present to the targets always looks quite exposed.
A crumbling and chaotic battlefield doesn’t seem to offer much cover, meaning troops will not have the luxury of looking cool while firing back.
remember that every shooter is different and that what works for one may not work for another
So after all the preaching, it comes down to this.
I’ll continue to hold the carbine any way I can to get the sights aligned and pull the damn trigger.
I couldn’t care less how “cool” or “stylish” it is.
August 25th, 2014 at 7:23 pm
Whatever works. Mr. Eggimann shows no signs of having been acquainted with the concept of the rail cover, but to each his own. He could probably kick my ass in IPSC three gun, but I bet I could at least hold my own in aerial rifle shooting using any fairly common grip style anyone wants to assign to me.
According to the guys at Magpul, that straight-arm, thumb-forward rifle hold came about so as to mimic to the degree possible the now standard two-thumbs forward pistol hold. That made a certain amount of sense, at least in running and gunning drills.
There’s no one “correct” hold, except for that particular hold you were using when you pulled off a successful shot or a winning stage.
If I have to take careful aim on a distant target, and I have no choice but to stand unsupported, my support arm elbow is going to be down against my ribs, and depending on the rifle, my support hand may be under the magazine, my body twisted up for as much skeletal support as possible. This is the opposite of the dynamic, running-and-gunning, muscle-supported holds. So you need to practice a lot of different holds and positions and be able to acquire them quickly.
The most “practical” rifle shooting any of us are likely to actually engage in is hunting, and so finding a more stable, more supported position is more important than one in which you can engage a lot of targets quickly and move quickly from spot to spot. Most of my kill shots using a rifle were taken from sitting, and only two from standing unsupported. Wing shooting with a shotgun on multiple targets may represent a situation where the Magpul/Eggimann/IPSC type hold, or whatever it is to be called, could be a real benefit. I don’t know. It would depend on the shotgun for one thing, and maybe there’s another reason to have an auto-loader.
August 25th, 2014 at 8:08 pm
My gripe is the use of the squared up shooting position, which really has nothing to do with the grip. Squaring up is great if you are wearing body armor…but makes you a bigger target when you are not. Please…take a bladed stance…it still works fine even with a beard.
August 25th, 2014 at 11:12 pm
Looks like they’re using VG’s to support a certain grip style advocated by some high speed instructors.
That style looks great on competition field and instructor demos, but the squared off manner these guys present to the targets always looks quite exposed.
A crumbling and chaotic battlefield doesn’t seem to offer much cover, meaning troops will not have the luxury of looking cool while firing back.
August 26th, 2014 at 4:30 am
meh. it’s just the new hotness. it’ll pass.
August 26th, 2014 at 4:42 am
remember that every shooter is different and that what works for one may not work for another
So after all the preaching, it comes down to this.
I’ll continue to hold the carbine any way I can to get the sights aligned and pull the damn trigger.
I couldn’t care less how “cool” or “stylish” it is.