I hope someone accepts the challenge
The IRS chief, clearly not knowing how the law is supposed to work, says the GOP can’t abolish them.
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April 1st, 2015 at 3:22 pm
The KGB says the Party can’t abolish them. With whom will the Red Army side?
Oh wait, you weren’t describing a scene from a Tom Clancy novel?
April 1st, 2015 at 4:41 pm
Sure they can.
Have the Treasury levy a flat rate simple income tax. If it isn’t paid, sue for the cash, and start collections.
This isn’t hard to do.
April 1st, 2015 at 7:41 pm
Better yet Kristophr, institute a national sales tax. That way EVERYONE shares the tax burden, not just us working folks.
April 1st, 2015 at 7:59 pm
The evil and naivety is strong with that so-called bureaucratic “chief”.
April 1st, 2015 at 10:38 pm
The GOP can’t abolish them. Seriously, If the GOP went directly up against the IRS, they would get demolished. It would be harder than squaring off against the CIA (with the inevitable leak war that the CIA will launch against you).
April 1st, 2015 at 11:10 pm
Well, that criminal Lois Lerner did just evade prosecution today (?).
Which tells me that the R’s are either in cahoots with Lerner’s political party, or they’re just a bunch of stupid milquetoasts.
April 1st, 2015 at 11:25 pm
“…institute a national sales tax.”
Fuck that, I’m a businessman, not the damn fedgov tax collector, we’ve got enough shit to deal with.
And just imagine the expansion of gray markets and internet purchases, how ya gonna administer that?
Flat tax is nothing new, Reagan wasn’t the first to call for a “tithe” tax system where every dollar from every source is taxed ten percent…no exemptions period. It’s as simple, fair and workable as any tax system could be, and would raise enough revenue to replace ALL taxes, even the PITA state sales tax that already burdens small business.
Which is exactly why even Ronnie couldn’t gain traction with it; it would eliminate not just the IRS and other gov collection bureaucracies, but the far more powerful tax avoidance industry…CPA’s, IRA’s, TFF’s and lots of other initials. Too much power and too much money at stake. Follow the money…always follow the money.
April 2nd, 2015 at 11:04 am
JTC,
Fuck the income tax too. What business is it of the government to know how much I make and how?
The answer is that every tax system is a burden, though I think property taxes are downright evil. (How can anyone truly own property if they have to pay rent to the government for it?)
A federal flat tax that also pays state and local taxes is an inversion of the federal system. Instead we should eliminate the 16th and 17th amendments and federal individual and business taxes. The federal government should levy taxes on each state proportional to their population. Then each state, which already collects taxes, will decide how best to collect taxes. A state like Alaska might just dedicate its oil trust to paying for the federal government. Another state may decide that sales tax is the way to go. Another will have income tax. You, as a free citizen, can decide which is least harmful and vote or move accordingly.
April 2nd, 2015 at 12:29 pm
Ken, in an ideal world there would be no tax but that world doesn’t exist, never has and never will.
And of course states don’t decide shit, politicians do. And Alaska’s would change their no-tax tune pretty quick if residency went from 700K to 70M overnight.
Revenue is necessary to defend our shores and the Constitution, too bad it can’t be limited to that. But if a flat 10% applied to every dollar generated including churches and all other currently exempted entities, I don’t think you’d find many that wouldn’t deem it worth it to live and breathe free, from the Buffets to the busboys. But of course as I said before, it’s not the taxpayers but the tax avoidance industry that would 86 a flat tax before it ever had a chance…that’s because the zillions of dollars they skim would be diverted from their pockets straight into the budget. Never happen.
April 2nd, 2015 at 1:09 pm
JTC, The main concern is to eliminate the direct tax of a personal income tax which actually violates the 4th and 5th Amendments. Otherwise, the Constitution gives delegated powers for indirect taxing:
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;– Article I, Section 8.1
First Congress needs to eliminate the so-called ” free trade” agreements and collect duties and imposts. The intrusive personal income tax should be eliminated and replaced with an excise ( sales, consumption) tax, similar to or enact The Fair Tax. This way, EVERYONE pays “their fair share” at the same rate which is in accordance with “the equal protection of the laws” (14th Amendment). Also this would cause enormous capital to flow back into the country without all the various income taxes. It seems it would be a win-win thing except for the IRS and a tiny elite who use class warfare as their ” divide and conquer ” agenda.
April 2nd, 2015 at 2:13 pm
JTC,
We’re agreed on your first statement and Alaska. And, of course, I want the federal government to perform the duties that are expressly imposed upon it by the constitution; the common defense being item number one.
Where I differ with your original statement is keeping taxing power concentrated and concentrating it even further in the federal government. Let DC beg the states for the money and give the states more power over DC by repealing the 17th amendment.
Of course you are correct to point out that states, as corporate entities, do not have will, but are the expression of the will of the elected politicians. I promise you though that you have much more influence over your state rep and senator than you do over your congressional delegation. One of the most sinister things that congress did was to cap the number representatives, ensuring that each individual’s influence of their government will continually erode as population increases. The 17th amendment did double duty by not only diluting influence by creating statewide elections for senators, but by removing any influence that a state has over the federal government altogether.
April 2nd, 2015 at 3:02 pm
REPEAL 16th and 17th Amendments. The U.S. Senate is the States’ House of Congress so that senators should be appointed by State Legislatures to represent the interests of their State in Congress. Thst would also do more for “campaign finance reform” than any legislation since it would remove 100 state-wide elections.
April 2nd, 2015 at 9:48 pm
Flat tax, whether collected coming or going, is DOA due to TAI sharing DNA with ESQ’s who fill the seats at GOV.
April 3rd, 2015 at 11:21 am
Actually, if you look at his remarks in context, he’s right. If there is an income tax, no matter how simple, there has to be an agency to deal with it. Whether you call it the IRS or something else, “Somebody has to collect the money, and then somebody also has to make sure when you fill in the small card, you’re putting in the right numbers”.
Whether or not there should be an income tax was, as far as I can tell, was not even part of the discussion.
April 4th, 2015 at 3:31 pm
Right Jake. And when the Feds make sure you’re outing in the right numbers means they require access to and force us to give those numbers which violates the 4th and 5th Amendments. Thst tyranny should be ended!