We’re winning
Barry may want to stay home.
Ohio:
Lawmakers passed a bill Wednesday to allow Ohioans to carry concealed guns, and Gov. Bob Taft said he will sign it.
Those who apply for the permits would have to pay a fee, undergo background checks and be trained in the use of a weapon.
The bill also makes the names of permit holders available to reporters. Taft’s insistence on this provision had derailed the bill late last year.
I don’t understand the reason for publishing a list of permit holders.
Gov. Kathleen Sebelius’ opposition to a bill allowing Kansans to carry concealed handguns may not matter, according to a northeast Kansas legislator who is pushing for the law.
Rep. Candy Ruff, a Democrat from Leavenworth, said she hoped the legislation would win by such large margins in the Legislature that it would survive a veto by Sebelius. Overturning a veto would require two-thirds votes in the House and Senate.
“My whole take on this is to work to make it veto-proof in order not to involve the governor,” Ruff said
January 8th, 2004 at 11:14 am
I still don’t hear any mention of training in why or when to use a firearm. Training on how to aim and how to shoot is great, but the morality behind such a decision is being glossed over.
Here’s a challenge: One year from when the law goes into effect, track the # of lives verifiably saved by citizens carrying concealed weapons vs. the # of lives verifiably (and unjustifiably) lost by citizens carrying concealed weapons and see whether the ratio is acceptable.
January 8th, 2004 at 11:17 am
The problem with your challenge is that many incidents go unreported (who wants to deal with the hassle). I’ve used a gun twice to prevent harm to myself and another (merely by brandishing) and i didn’t report it.
January 8th, 2004 at 11:48 am
I seem to recall an instance some years back (maybe under TN’s previous concealed carry permitting scheme)where a newspaper (I think it was in Wilson County TN) published a list of permit holders. Anyone else recall this?
January 8th, 2004 at 1:47 pm
See, to me, that’s a problem. Any use should be reported. And in your incidents, was your life actually in danger? Or were you merely staving off a fistfight?
January 8th, 2004 at 1:57 pm
One was preventing another guy from being beaten to death (or at least severely, as they were beating him when I happened upon it). One was most assuredly preventing two miscreants from robbing me.
January 8th, 2004 at 2:00 pm
That’s three more times than I can recall myself ever being in a situation where defending myself might possibly have been necessary… why the discrepency? We live in the same city, assumedly drive the same roads, visit the same shopping establishments, eat at similar restaurants, go to the same movie theatres…
January 8th, 2004 at 2:03 pm
Twice is three times more than none? All kidding aside, one incident occured in a questionable apartment complex i lived in right after college known for crime. The other occured at a gas station in the middle of nowhere.
January 8th, 2004 at 4:08 pm
I’ve used a gun twice to prevent harm to myself and another (merely by brandishing) and i didn’t report it.
Not to harp, but that’s three…
When you say you used a gun twice, did you fire? Did you hit? How many shots did you fire, and how many missed? Were you arrested/tried? Was there ever any danger to anyone else?
January 8th, 2004 at 4:10 pm
Did not fire, merely brandished. Yes there was danger.
This comment did not relay that idea: One was preventing another guy from being beaten to death (or at least severely, as they were beating him when I happened upon it). One was most assuredly preventing two miscreants from robbing me.
And it was twice.
January 8th, 2004 at 4:32 pm
“I still don’t hear any mention of training in why or when to use a firearm.”
Barry, the class I took for my CCW went into those issues. We talked about them, but they were also illustrated in films with actors playing out different scenarios.
For instance, in one scene the person comes home to find a robber walking out of the house with the TV. That’s a no-shoot situation: you don’t shoot someone to defend property.
Other scenarios illustrated home invasions, retreat requirements, etc.
January 8th, 2004 at 10:13 pm
Les: That helps somewhat. Are there psychological evaluations?
January 9th, 2004 at 12:26 am
SU,
I read that you should always call the police after such incidents to prevent the miscreants from calling the police first and reporting you as having ‘brandished a weapon’ for no reason. I think it was a column by Massad Ayoob.
Yours,
Wince