Not a bad idea
There is a bill in the House that seeks to establish national reciprocity for handgun carry permits. The gist is that if you have a carry permit in one state, you can carry in other states that have carry permit provisions.
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January 28th, 2004 at 2:18 pm
What happened to being in favor of states rights?
January 28th, 2004 at 2:25 pm
“Not bad” is an understatement. As I read the bill, it would effectively convert California, Delaware, Hawaii, Iowa, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York abd Rhode Island into shall-issue states. Not technically shall-issue, of course, but they might as well be shall-issue if their residents can rely on out of state permits.
January 28th, 2004 at 2:38 pm
What happened to being in favor of states rights?
They don’t trump individual rights.
January 28th, 2004 at 4:41 pm
What you mean, Uncle, is that they shouldn’t (in your estimation) trump individual rights. But the fact is, either they do, or that gun ownership isn’t an individual right. I know your stance on the latter, so we’ll focus on the former.
If gun ownership (and carry privilege) is a constitutionally protected individual right, then the permit requirements are already unconsititutional. By passing a law like this, you’re lending federal legitimacy to those unconsitutional state laws, and as such, it would be a very bad idea.
If, however, permit requirements are okay, then personal rights are irrelevant. The federal government is essentially stomping on the states, telling them that the least common denominator of all their permit requirements is the one that will be effective in all permit states.
You can’t think that’s a good idea, unless you’re merely viewing it as a means to an end, with the “end” being the complete repeal of all carry permit requirements.
January 28th, 2004 at 6:18 pm
Actually, the right to self defense is what I am specifically referring to. I tend to go back and forth on whether carrying is constitutionally protected or not. I can see arguments for and against (i.e., what does bear mean for the former; why do state constitutions tend to specify wearing of arms limitations are up to the state, as in TN).
My mind is not made up on the issue. But regardless, i view carrying as beneficial to society and therefore the ends that I want is shall issue carry in all states. I have no particular issue with licensing on its face much like I only oppose registration of arms to the extent such registries can be abused for confiscation. I take issue with the denying of a license for no good reason, like they have in may issue states.
January 29th, 2004 at 10:41 am
Tgirsh may be right, but if this violates the 10th Amendment, I’d loooove to watch liberals challenge it on that ground.
January 31st, 2004 at 2:27 pm
Personally I think that permits are a bad thing as far as Rights are concerned. They in effect transfer authority over said Rights to the state (or feds in this case) & turn them into a privilige for all practical purposes.
However there is an argument that Tqirsch hasn’t considered: reciprocity. A marraige license in Colorado isn’t necessary for a couple wed in Oklahoma. Neither is a new drivers license for someone driving in another state. So one could legitimately argue that a law requiring all states to recognize a CCW permit from another state is simply a legislative reinforcement of a basic constitutional dictate – “Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.” Article 4 Section 1
Course for me this is all beneath the main point that no one should ever have to beg for permission or pay a fee in order to exercise a natural Right.