Oh yeah, well your guys are worse
Tom, regarding misuse police power and the recent spate of shootings, says:
it has almost exclusively been the modern conservative movement that has moved us toward this sort of authoritarian government and sought to massively expand police powers, while seriously diminishing oversight.
Then why does this map of botched police raids (filter for deaths) show that more botched raids occur in larger population centers, which tend to be more liberal?
The reason is big cities have swat teams and they gotta do something when they’re not saving hostages.
Don’t misunderstand: This is not a liberal v. conservative issue. It should be an issue we can all get behind. It’s more a those in power wanting to look tough on crime v. every one else issue.
December 14th, 2006 at 10:39 am
Nah. It’s much easier to blame Bush.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:32 am
All I’m saying is who’s more likely to openly support (and campaign for) such things as warrantless police operations, reduction or elimination of judicial oversight, etc.? Liberals or conservatives? Recent history makes this abundantly clear. In fact, I can’t even name one liberal who argues in defense of such things.
I agree that this shouldn’t be a partisan issue, and I also agree that nobody is faultless when the rubber hits the road. But when it comes to talking points, public statements, talking heads, etc., conservatives are orders of magnatude more likely to argue in defense of such tactics than liberals are. That’s all I’m saying.
And as I said at my thread, the easy way to prove me wrong is to show me Democratic and/or liberal-sponsored legislation that would expand police powers and reduce oversight. Or show me liberal Democrats arguing in favor of such things as no-oversight warrantless wiretaps.
Instead, you’ve come up with the stuninng revelation that excessive force incidents tend to happen where there are a lot of people and therefore larger police forces. Thank you Mr. Wizard! 🙂 (Now, correct that for population and give per capita figures, and then if it’s still wildly out of proportion, I might be impressed.) Never mind the fact that your two shining examples of liberal hot beds are NYC, where Republican leadership has been in place for over a decade (but they’re liberal Republicans, based on the fact that they’re not all Brownback bat-shit crazy!), and Atlanta (the first time I’ve ever heard anyone describe that city as “liberal” — liberal for the South, maybe…).
December 14th, 2006 at 12:03 pm
More police raids—and thus, more botched police raids—occur in larger population centers because that’s where criminals congregate and where criminal enterprises are based. It has nothing whatsoever to do with liberalism ( or conservatism) at all.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:46 pm
That depends on who is being warrantlessly searched. If the target of the search is al-Qaeda, then a conservative administration is the one likely to be behind it. But if the target is Princess Diana or some rich Republican she was believed to have the hots for, then what?
December 14th, 2006 at 8:58 pm
The police state will come from the left, not the right. Remember Waco?
December 18th, 2006 at 1:34 am
And Ruby Ridge? And Janet Reno
December 18th, 2006 at 10:08 am
SA, Ruby Ridge happened during the GHWB administration. It’s not as though Clinton exactly tried to clean up, of course. IIRC, some of those involved got fancy medals on Clinton’s watch.