I don’t want to have them going up to a bunch of folk we think are terrorists with a big bomb and knocking the door. Police put their lives on the line, okay, but they don’t just throw them away stupidly.
It’s not that police are using no-knock warrants, it’s that they’re using them poorly, in situations that do not justify their use (Oh noes, cameras!?). Seriously, if your criminals’ evidence goes entirely down the drain in one flush, it’s probably not worth going after them.
That the police enforcing such warrants are so poorly trained as to not merely waste ammunition, but also manage to hit multiple of their own in the process, against a stationary old lady, really doesn’t speak well for the police.
It wasn’t the drugs here. Any sort of crime with plantable evidence, whether it be serial number-less guns, illegal photos, or counterfeit bills, could have replaced the drugs. It just as much wasn’t the no-knock raids : the idiots who lied to this degree could easily have broken in without a no-knock warrant simply claiming special circumstances, or doing a no-knock and simply lying. That police are this willing to put themselves in plainly stupid situations, and lie just to put a shiny sticker on their record, that’s the key aspect here.
So what do you expect, very sorry, but it will happen again all to soon. No-knocks exist for a reason, the danger of serving a warrant can be very dire. The cops are only a reflection of their lousy bosses, and poor training. Do you think there wasn’t pressure to make busts,”make your numbers, or your back on patrol”? Weapons training, CMON, “get out there and make the boss look great, she’s up for Captain. Do corners get cut, it never stops and never well. The judges dont want to sign warrants after dark anymore, so they allow a magistrate (sworn court clerk) do it. Makes you wonder how many setups are doing hard time right now from these guys?
Bullshit! What they did qualifies as premeditated murder, there are a bunch of other crimes they have committed that should keep them in jail for the rest of their lives. Yet two of them were allowed to plead to manslaughter? Get Real.
I don’t want to hear about how risky their work is or how much pressure they face. Those are just excuses for weaklings. I spent my entire life working more dangerous jobs and had lots of pressure. I never shot an innocent 92 year old woman. If the job is to big for you, get a different job.
Sorry straightarrow, didn’t mean to bait you with the truth, you must have missed the last couple dozen times this has happened, wrong person, wrong address! Manslaughter, is the killing of another person, without premeditated intent, might apply here? We do try to get it right, and succeed 99.9% of the time. When we screwup, it makes the news, all of our screwups are BIG screwups. As soon as their brains registered “GUN” it was off to the races, WHO DIES 1ST? You and I and all concerned, are deeply saddened that it was a 92 Y/O grandmother, except the “hoping to go home to their families” shooters! Is this so hard to understand? She had her 2nd Ammendment right, so do you, please guard them more carefully. Demmand that the LAW be respected! So says the dumb guy in Chicago, on illegal Mexican protest day, 250,000 expected to make traffic a nightmare today.
April 27th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
How many other no knocks have these guys conjured up over the years? How many other departments are playing these games?
April 27th, 2007 at 5:55 pm
No-Knock warrants…
I just don’t know what to say. This is a family-type blog.
April 27th, 2007 at 7:07 pm
No-Knock warrants…
Should be illegal. Period.
April 27th, 2007 at 10:45 pm
:shrug:
I don’t want to have them going up to a bunch of folk we think are terrorists with a big bomb and knocking the door. Police put their lives on the line, okay, but they don’t just throw them away stupidly.
It’s not that police are using no-knock warrants, it’s that they’re using them poorly, in situations that do not justify their use (Oh noes, cameras!?). Seriously, if your criminals’ evidence goes entirely down the drain in one flush, it’s probably not worth going after them.
That the police enforcing such warrants are so poorly trained as to not merely waste ammunition, but also manage to hit multiple of their own in the process, against a stationary old lady, really doesn’t speak well for the police.
It wasn’t the drugs here. Any sort of crime with plantable evidence, whether it be serial number-less guns, illegal photos, or counterfeit bills, could have replaced the drugs. It just as much wasn’t the no-knock raids : the idiots who lied to this degree could easily have broken in without a no-knock warrant simply claiming special circumstances, or doing a no-knock and simply lying. That police are this willing to put themselves in plainly stupid situations, and lie just to put a shiny sticker on their record, that’s the key aspect here.
April 28th, 2007 at 11:03 am
So what do you expect, very sorry, but it will happen again all to soon. No-knocks exist for a reason, the danger of serving a warrant can be very dire. The cops are only a reflection of their lousy bosses, and poor training. Do you think there wasn’t pressure to make busts,”make your numbers, or your back on patrol”? Weapons training, CMON, “get out there and make the boss look great, she’s up for Captain. Do corners get cut, it never stops and never well. The judges dont want to sign warrants after dark anymore, so they allow a magistrate (sworn court clerk) do it. Makes you wonder how many setups are doing hard time right now from these guys?
April 28th, 2007 at 3:42 pm
Bullshit! What they did qualifies as premeditated murder, there are a bunch of other crimes they have committed that should keep them in jail for the rest of their lives. Yet two of them were allowed to plead to manslaughter? Get Real.
I don’t want to hear about how risky their work is or how much pressure they face. Those are just excuses for weaklings. I spent my entire life working more dangerous jobs and had lots of pressure. I never shot an innocent 92 year old woman. If the job is to big for you, get a different job.
April 28th, 2007 at 3:43 pm
o, put that on the to, which should have been too.
May 1st, 2007 at 1:26 pm
Sorry straightarrow, didn’t mean to bait you with the truth, you must have missed the last couple dozen times this has happened, wrong person, wrong address! Manslaughter, is the killing of another person, without premeditated intent, might apply here? We do try to get it right, and succeed 99.9% of the time. When we screwup, it makes the news, all of our screwups are BIG screwups. As soon as their brains registered “GUN” it was off to the races, WHO DIES 1ST? You and I and all concerned, are deeply saddened that it was a 92 Y/O grandmother, except the “hoping to go home to their families” shooters! Is this so hard to understand? She had her 2nd Ammendment right, so do you, please guard them more carefully. Demmand that the LAW be respected! So says the dumb guy in Chicago, on illegal Mexican protest day, 250,000 expected to make traffic a nightmare today.