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8 Responses to “It’s Giuliani day”

1. Sharon Cobb Says:
   September 22nd, 2007 at 8:32 pm

   The new code word for selling out what you really believe to get elected is “evolution.”
   Mitt has “evolved” on abortion. McCain has “evolved” on immigration.

   And now, we have Rudy “evolving” on gun rights.

   Do any of you 2nd amendment advocates really believe Rudy has “evolved” one iota on this issue?

2. Xrlq Says:
   September 22nd, 2007 at 8:52 pm

   I don’t know what to make of Guiliani’s conveniently-timed evolution, but that’s neither here nor there. What was so wrong about what he started to say about Second Amendment vis a vis the Fourth?

3. #9 Says:
   September 22nd, 2007 at 9:27 pm

   Do any of you 2nd amendment advocates really believe Rudy has “evolved” one iota on this issue?

   Not one damn bit. Rudy is a liar.

   But no vote for Hillary Sharon.

4. SayUncle Says:
   September 23rd, 2007 at 9:44 am

   What was so wrong about what he started to say about Second Amendment vis a vis the Fourth?

   Err, he says to think of the language of it (the 2A) then proceeds to quote something that is not it.

5. Jim W Says:
   September 23rd, 2007 at 7:02 pm

   I seriously doubt Rudy has any strongly held beliefs beyond a firm conviction that getting elected is the right thing to do. Rudy wants power and Rudy will tell people what they want to hear and do what they want him to do to gain and retain power.

   In the 90s, gun control was popular nationally and very popular for nearly a century in NYC. Rudy was probably hoping to ride gun control to national prominence, like many CA politicians of the day. He got the memo in 2000 or so about gun control being the old, boring meme and gun rights was the hot new meme and he began to evolve.

   I think that Rudy can probably be trusted to consistently thirst for power and to act in certain predictable ways to grab and consolidate it. I think we are going to have much greater problems from a Rudy presidency in the DOJ and FBI areas than we will on the gun rights side of things. He is a die hard authoritarian and micro-manager of people’s lives. Putting him in charge of a post 9/11 security apparatus would be foolish.

6. Xrlq Says:
   September 23rd, 2007 at 8:33 pm

   Err, he says to think of the language of it (the 2A) then proceeds to quote something that is not it.

   I don’t think it’s that clear cut. I heard this:

   “After all the second amendment is a freedom every bit as important as the other freedoms in the first ten amendments. Just think of the language of it — ‘the people shall be secure’ –let’s see, this is my wife calling…”

   As an analogy to the other “rights of the people” secured by the Bill of Rights, e.g., Fourth Amendment right “to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.” Granted, it wasn’t a word-perfect, verbatim quote of either amendment, but it’s not as though he got the basic meaning wrong or anything. A technical foul, at worst.

7. Ron W Says:
   September 24th, 2007 at 3:26 pm

   Give Rudy (and all the others) a test: Ask him if his Secret Service agents, that some of them already have as candidates (don’t know about Rudy), should have to obey the same gun control laws that the citizens who pay them must obey..lest hired guns guns come for them???

8. Diamondback Says:
   September 25th, 2007 at 5:17 pm

   I wouldn’t vote for Rudy regardless of what he says. Actions speak volumes.

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