OMG he has ideas about guns in his head
So, let’s suspend him:
Hamline University has suspended a student after he sent an e-mail suggesting that the Virginia Tech massacre might have been stopped if students had been allowed to carry concealed weapons on campus. Student Troy Scheffler is now required to undergo a mandatory “mental health evaluation” before being allowed to return to school.
Nice.
October 16th, 2007 at 10:14 am
We must never forget that if we lower our defenses on one right, we leave an easy path for the infringment of others. The first amendment is just as important as the second, the fourth, the fifth, and the tenth..
The Fire is helping on this one too:
http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/8477.html?PHPSESSID=ae5de9706b248ce5a77016dfd939e6a9
October 16th, 2007 at 10:52 am
So a person who believes in the natural right of self defense has to undergo psychological evaluation before he can reenter his college?
That actually makes sense, given today’s colleges…
October 16th, 2007 at 11:04 am
Make one wonder if they want to make sure that he looses the right to carry/own a firearm…
Boneheads.
October 16th, 2007 at 11:30 am
Fucking thought police.
The perfect irony is that the purpose of a University is to teach people to think. I guess they did.
Think the way you are told, or out the door you will go. Sounds like a George Thorogood song.
There is more to the story. The student was very critical of the school administration.
No free speech at Hamline University. Seems this student was upset at the over priced “leftist” education he felt he was getting.
So of course the administration thought he would get a gun and go nuts.
Wonder if he will get a refund?
October 16th, 2007 at 11:42 am
Make one wonder if they want to make sure that he looses the right to carry/own a firearm
Not an involuntary commitment under 27 CFR 478.11. A school doesn’t constitute a legal authority for commitment purposes, and even if it did, people committed for observation don’t amount to an involuntary commitment either.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:00 pm
I still wouldn’t take the chance, were I in his shoes. Quite apart from that, I’d lawyer up and tell them to pound sand as a matter of principle.
October 16th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
funny, i recently had an assignment in school where i had to argue against a school policy… im waiting to see if i get disciplined for it… here is the assignment
“Write an e-mail message to convince a friend or family member to transfer to GTCC. Think about what would best convince him or her to make such a big change.
OR
List policies at GTCC that you think should change. Choose one and write a letter to Dr. Cammeron, the president of GTCC, arguing against the policy or for a revised policy. Remember to consider the president’s point of view.
Dr. Cammeron,
Today I would like to discuss the policy mentioned in the student conduct policy section 1 subsection j.
“Possession, use, sale, or distribution of a gun, rifle, pistol, dynamite cartridge, bomb, grenade, mine, powerful explosive, any type of ammunition, bowie knife, dirk, dagger, sling shot, leaded cane, switchblade, blackjack, metallic knuckles, or other weapon of like kind.”
While I can understand the immense pressure that schools and states are under to prevent violence among college students, this policy is one that actually puts the students in more danger than necessary.
As was seen in recent events not far from here in Virginia, persons intent on committing acts of violence are already intending to commit murder, a policy stating that they cannot legally carry a weapon means nothing to them. The only people that were affected by the VT policy of a gun free zone were those that actually obey the law. If even one properly trained and legally licensed student had been allowed to carry their self defense weapon on campus, 32 people might not have died.
Unfortunately for those that died, their school had a policy making it a crime to bring a weapon onto their campus. The legal owners of weapons thus wouldn’t dare bring their weapons to campus as doing so could result in the loss of their right to own a firearm at all.
It has been stated by the US Supreme Court on numerous occasions that police officers are there to enforce the law, not protect the citizens from law breakers. Therefore it becomes the duty of the private citizen to defend themselves. What you have done by declaring that this campus is a “gun free zone” is to let criminals know that no one on campus will be armed and thus will be no resistance to their criminal activities. Sir, I strongly urge you to reconsider this policy before a person with criminal intent proves that in a gun free zone, everyone is a victim.
Remember, the US constitution guarantees that everyone has the right to bear arms. It does not guarantee that anyone will be safe from crime but it does allow for people to provide their own personal defense against crime.
Thank you for your consideration in this matter,”
October 16th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Great letter Chris! Best of luck on not getting disciplined 🙂
What you’ve said has been said countless times since the VT massacre in April and is obvious to anyone with a modest amount of intelligence but college administraters didnt seem to get the clue. As far as I know, NO colleges/universities that have declared themselves “gun free safe zones” have changed from being so even when it’s so obvious that it dos’nt work. If any have someone please correct me.
October 16th, 2007 at 4:50 pm
Gee, do you think if Troy Scheffler goes for this “mandatory” mental evaluation that the psychiatrist/psychologist just might be one of those “others” designated in 2640 with the power to put his name on a restricted persons list?
Of course, he could always get his rights back. When pigs fly or Congress honors that portion of the bill. Both have the same percentage of probability, with the exception that pigs haven’t yet had the opportunity to fly, while Congress did have the opportunity to honor the same provision in the FOPA law and has fallen short.
So, I guess we must say pigs flying has a better chance of occurrence. I rescind my statement about the same odds, pigs get the benefit of the shorter odds.
October 17th, 2007 at 2:32 am
I’d never heard of Hamline University before today; there are obviously some good reasons for that.
October 17th, 2007 at 10:54 am
Sebastian : I know that, you know that, but does the University know that?