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In all that faggoty advertisementese is no objective explanation why I would choose this gun over, oh, say, a Glock 17, which happens to cost half as much, hold twice as many rounds, weigh half as much, shoot just as accurately, run more reliably out of the box, and is assembled from armorer friendly parts that do not require skilled fitting. The last point bears repeating: There are no parts on a Glock that cannot be changed in about 30 minutes by a user who has a hammer, screwdriver, and a punch.
Guess what this gun is?
July 28th, 2008 at 9:26 am
Y’know, I was going to sit down and respond point by point to the factual inaccuracies here when I realized that I just don’t have it in me anymore. I am completely burnt the fuck out.
Something that I used to enjoy just totally bores me to tears now. Maybe I’ll sell my guns and take up knitting. Hopefully there aren’t silly fallacy-riddled testosterone-drenched arguments about needles and yarn.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:28 am
I just find it amusing these days. It’s obvious to anyone I prefer Glocks. What anyone else prefers is their own business. I just enjoy stirring it up a bit.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Part of my burnout probably has a lot to do with years of having to referee fanboy arguments, first at Glock Talk and later at TFL and THR.
If I was more of a bomb-thrower, I’d register at GT under a bogus name and start a thread about the Plug or Safe-T-Block and watch the kids go at each other’s throats…
July 28th, 2008 at 10:17 am
the what-block now?
i don’t own a handgun, yet. comes time (that is, money) for me to get one, i plan to purchase whatever kind best fits my hand and points most naturally. i’m hoping it won’t end up with too many levers and buttons and safeties and doodads, because i like simple user interfaces — but if it does, hey, i can always figure out some way to disable extraneous junk. same as i can always find someone to help me fix a lousy trigger.
my gloves likely wouldn’t fit the hands of some random stranger i stopped on the street, so why should i complain if said stranger doesn’t choose the same handgun i do? all the hottest online flamewars start over the smallest, least significant real differences. like somebody on the OpenBSD mailing lists said, if you’re arguing over whether or not to build a doghouse, there’s no flaming — but just you wait until it comes time to pick what color to paint the doghouse.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Tam, I think you’ll find knitting is an even more vicious group of elitists than gunnies… Arguments over aluminum vs. titanium vs. polymer needles … merino vs. alpaca wool … cable-knit vs whatever that other kind is…
It’s brutal, I tell you. And those old ladies, they go for the throat.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Baby Pictures:
Some rabid Glock fan bitching about 1911 & SIG owners seven years ago.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:45 am
I would just like to say that vanilla is vastly superior to chocolate. Anybody who has to have chocolate added to their ice cream is clearly an inexperienced ice cream eater, and fanboy of the worst kind.
I don’t pretend to know which of these guns is better, and don’t pretend to care. My interest in handguns is defensive, and as long as the caliber is effective, it is concealable, REASONABLY accurate – I am not shooting defensively at 50 yards – and will fire a couple of hundred rounds between cleanings without problems I am sold.
Maybe we should argue revolver versus semi-auto. (Any lefties in the group really hate your average right-handed semi-auto?)
Can guns be more accurate after a trip to shop? Of course. I can also make your computer run faster – depending on the mother board – with some custom work. I have friends who will replace the breaks on your car, the air cleaner, a handful of other things – maybe even the computer controlling the transmission – and make your car ready for the races. Are you interested?
The real question is why does the average person need an over-clocked CPU in their PC? Water-cooling (now making a comeback) has its place, but the price is high. Why would the average person want to get the family sedan ready for auto-cross? Yet a bunch of people insist the average person need a custom or semi-custom gun. You want one? fine. Talk to my nephew about his custom truck. I care about the same in both
Can we stop arguing about whether vanilla is better than chocolate?
July 28th, 2008 at 11:31 am
I just went through the CCW course (I passed–Yay!) and the CCW instructor went on and on about how Glocks were *too* easy to fire and hit targets, but he wasn’t a Glock fan. On the other hand, our safety instructor was a huge Glock fan and said the gun fired so well that he only cleaned it when it gunked up. Several shooters had problems with their guns, but I can’t remember what they used. Hubby’s Walther PPKS shot well, until he put 50+ rounds through it, then it regularly jammed; my Walther P99C was great (no jams, good groupings, easy trigger, etc.). However, the kid (youngest in the class) used a Glock and outshot even my hubby.
July 28th, 2008 at 11:39 am
By passing you mean you passed the instructor a check and he gave you a piece of paper?
July 28th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Tam,
You know they’re all jealous because they need more rounds than a J-frame, right?
*g*
July 28th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
What’s the hammer and screwdriver for?
30 minutes?! What is this, the Special Olympics?
😉
July 28th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
I used to think it was far worse in the musical instrument business than in any other. “Hocus Pocus” was usually far more important than any practical, applied physics. I attributed it to the artistic brain verses the practical brain (right-brain, left-brain) dicotomy in music– an artistic process carried out on high-tech machines that must obey the fundamentals of physics. I thought, going into the gun related business, things would be different– you either hit your target or you don’t. They’re not different. Tam; it isn’t the industry, the hobby or the discipline. It’s human nature. Harley riders will put down Honda riders, and visa versa.
Long ago I asked a custom flute headjoint maker, “Which flute body do you think is the best?” He had the answer that I usually give when asked about guns; “Buy the one you like.”
There is a tendancy for us to admire the person with a strong opinion, so apparently we feel we too must have a strong opinion, as if that means we know more.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
I like all guns, and the arguments make no sense to me. I like Glocks, 1911s, Battle Rifles, Poodle-Shooters, and even HKs, despite the fact I suck and they hate me.
July 28th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
I don’t like Glocks for the most ridiculous of reasons. They’re ugly as homemade lye soap.
I told you it was ridiculous. But guess what? I don’t care if anybody else likes them.
I prefer 1911’s for the most practical of reasons, they feel like part of me when I pick them up. But guess what? Yeah, you got it, I don’t care if anybody else doesn’t like them.
Where is Rodney King when you need him? Can’t we all just get along?
July 28th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
HardCorps–Nope. No money exchanged hands (except what the range gave him from what we gave them for the course). BTW, hubby outshot me in accuracy, but I outshot him in speed–amazing, considering I think my form sucks (I still need lots of practice/range time).
July 28th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Smoothbores … and a flintlock action. Maybe a matchlock for traditionalists.
All the rest are just a passing fad.
July 28th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
I like wheelguns. And if you don’t…