How did young Mr Hines know which bag contained a gun? Was he just going through bags looking for stuff to steal, or did the airline or TSA mark the bag to indicate that it contained a firearm?
I suppose Hines might have just gotten “lucky” and found a bag containing a gun, but with the history of bags being marked to indicate the presence of a gun, I think we need to be suspicious.
Even more interesting is the question of what Mr. Hines did with the gun between the time he stole it, and when he tossed it into a sewer to dispose of it.
I can’t see him stealing a pistol just to toss it without having some, errrr, ulterior motive in obtaining it. Unless they are hiring TSA employees who are just overwhelmed with the desire to possess shiny objects and pieces of metal, but who regret their weakness on the way home and ditch their loot.
Are you sure he worked for TSA? The article IDs him as a “baggage handler”.
There has to be a card INSIDE the bag identifying the owner, etc. but TSA rules do not require outside marks – BUT the TSA folks who screen the bag would obviously know. Also, the officer may have marked his bag in such a way that one might guess there was a weapon inside.
One more thought – he didn’t steal the box with the gun inside, he got it out of the box! What kind of cheap-o box did he use? They specifically tell you NOT to use a “TSA” lock for the box, and YOU keep the key, not them (presumably to reduce this sort of thing).
I can tell you that the Pelican box I use would take a fair amount of effort (and requisite noise) to open, tho it obviously could be stolen entirely and opened later. If I could cable it to the suitcase frame, I would.
Yet another reason I have set aside an extra day on my vacations to make the trip by car. I’ve avoided traveling by air for the past 2 years now. I pretty much refuse to participate in these shenanigans unless absolutely necessary.
“Yet another reason I have set aside an extra day on my vacations to make the trip by car. I’ve avoided traveling by air for the past 2 years now. I pretty much refuse to participate in these shenanigans unless absolutely necessary.”
Same here. Ever since TSA was founded airport security, especially pertaining to traveler’s property, has become a joke.
When I fly, I pack my handgun in a yellow Pelican case with 2 (high-quality hardened) padlocks through the hasps. The only time I had a problem was with a ticket agent in San Antonio, who threw a hissy-fit because the unmarked, yellow case was not ‘concealed in a bag’. I asked to see her manager and called the TSA firearms-checked manager over, who was standing nearby (rolling his eyes over her machinations, of course), and I “be ‘splained” things to him. To his credit, the airline manager listened carefully and diligently, then went over to the ticketing agent, who left to go recompose herself in the back. Or left for the rest of her shift…I dunno.
The only time I felt uneasy about picking it up at the other end was in Little Rock, when I was delayed in checking through, and my luggage caught the flight that I missed due to a foulup in the whole ‘walk through the phonebooth and beep line’ while I waited for folks to ofload all their prohibited items from carryon. My bags were in the monitored luggage desk area, all together, when I arrived a few hours later, safe and secure.
Not being overly fond of the idea of going to prison, I don’t fly anymore. I will not fly anymore. There is no doubt in my mind what would happen if I were treated in the manner many air travelers are today. I hope the airlines go broke and go out of business. Not good for you guys who need air travel, but I don’t care. No one cared enough to stop this bullshit, I don’t care enough to be concerned about others’ convenience.
Um, Straightarrow, the inspection getting aboard ship these days is just like an airliner – and I hear that trains in the Northeast are also getting it (tho I haven’t ridden a train in that part of the world in a long time). Pretty soon you’ll need to go thru security to get on ANY public transportation – and I bet if they can figure out how to do it to your car, they will.
Check out this Amtrak page: http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Amtrak/am2Copy/Title_Image_Copy_Page&c=am2Copy&cid=1080080553878&ssid=147
May 3rd, 2009 at 9:52 am
There are questions that need some answers.
How did young Mr Hines know which bag contained a gun? Was he just going through bags looking for stuff to steal, or did the airline or TSA mark the bag to indicate that it contained a firearm?
I suppose Hines might have just gotten “lucky” and found a bag containing a gun, but with the history of bags being marked to indicate the presence of a gun, I think we need to be suspicious.
May 3rd, 2009 at 10:54 am
Even more interesting is the question of what Mr. Hines did with the gun between the time he stole it, and when he tossed it into a sewer to dispose of it.
I can’t see him stealing a pistol just to toss it without having some, errrr, ulterior motive in obtaining it. Unless they are hiring TSA employees who are just overwhelmed with the desire to possess shiny objects and pieces of metal, but who regret their weakness on the way home and ditch their loot.
May 3rd, 2009 at 10:56 am
Are you sure he worked for TSA? The article IDs him as a “baggage handler”.
There has to be a card INSIDE the bag identifying the owner, etc. but TSA rules do not require outside marks – BUT the TSA folks who screen the bag would obviously know. Also, the officer may have marked his bag in such a way that one might guess there was a weapon inside.
May 3rd, 2009 at 10:59 am
Maybe I answered my own question there.
May 3rd, 2009 at 11:00 am
One more thought – he didn’t steal the box with the gun inside, he got it out of the box! What kind of cheap-o box did he use? They specifically tell you NOT to use a “TSA” lock for the box, and YOU keep the key, not them (presumably to reduce this sort of thing).
I can tell you that the Pelican box I use would take a fair amount of effort (and requisite noise) to open, tho it obviously could be stolen entirely and opened later. If I could cable it to the suitcase frame, I would.
May 3rd, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Yet another reason I have set aside an extra day on my vacations to make the trip by car. I’ve avoided traveling by air for the past 2 years now. I pretty much refuse to participate in these shenanigans unless absolutely necessary.
May 3rd, 2009 at 2:26 pm
“Yet another reason I have set aside an extra day on my vacations to make the trip by car. I’ve avoided traveling by air for the past 2 years now. I pretty much refuse to participate in these shenanigans unless absolutely necessary.”
Same here. Ever since TSA was founded airport security, especially pertaining to traveler’s property, has become a joke.
May 3rd, 2009 at 2:43 pm
When I fly, I pack my handgun in a yellow Pelican case with 2 (high-quality hardened) padlocks through the hasps. The only time I had a problem was with a ticket agent in San Antonio, who threw a hissy-fit because the unmarked, yellow case was not ‘concealed in a bag’. I asked to see her manager and called the TSA firearms-checked manager over, who was standing nearby (rolling his eyes over her machinations, of course), and I “be ‘splained” things to him. To his credit, the airline manager listened carefully and diligently, then went over to the ticketing agent, who left to go recompose herself in the back. Or left for the rest of her shift…I dunno.
The only time I felt uneasy about picking it up at the other end was in Little Rock, when I was delayed in checking through, and my luggage caught the flight that I missed due to a foulup in the whole ‘walk through the phonebooth and beep line’ while I waited for folks to ofload all their prohibited items from carryon. My bags were in the monitored luggage desk area, all together, when I arrived a few hours later, safe and secure.
Regards,
Rabbit.
May 3rd, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Not being overly fond of the idea of going to prison, I don’t fly anymore. I will not fly anymore. There is no doubt in my mind what would happen if I were treated in the manner many air travelers are today. I hope the airlines go broke and go out of business. Not good for you guys who need air travel, but I don’t care. No one cared enough to stop this bullshit, I don’t care enough to be concerned about others’ convenience.
If you can’t drive or take a ship, I won’t go.
May 3rd, 2009 at 3:44 pm
and you shouldn’t either.
May 3rd, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Um, Straightarrow, the inspection getting aboard ship these days is just like an airliner – and I hear that trains in the Northeast are also getting it (tho I haven’t ridden a train in that part of the world in a long time). Pretty soon you’ll need to go thru security to get on ANY public transportation – and I bet if they can figure out how to do it to your car, they will.
Check out this Amtrak page: http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Amtrak/am2Copy/Title_Image_Copy_Page&c=am2Copy&cid=1080080553878&ssid=147