Tiller
Some guy obviously unclear on what it means to be pro-life decided to walk into a church and shoot a doctor who performs abortions.
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June 1st, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Some guy obviously unclear on what it means to be pro-life decided to walk into a church that obviously doesn’t know what the Bible teaches and shoot a doctor who performs abortions, who obviously was unclear about what it means to be a Christian.
Fixed it for ya Unc. Some folks have beliefs they are willing to kill for. Both of these men fit that description.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:29 pm
I am as saddened by the death of Tiller as I was when I heard Jeffery Dahmer was killed.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Yeah, cause everyone who’s a Christian has to agree with you.
There’s an eye roller for ya.
Instead of being the judgmental assholes the prior two commenters are being…you should read up a bit. Dr. Tiller saved the lives of women who would have died otherwise.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Hey BillH..didn’t someone once say an eye for an eye and the whole world is blind? Your comments are absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Sebastian-PGP:
Did Dr Tiller only perform D&X’s in situations like those in the article?
June 1st, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Is that really relevant? If he didn’t know how to do that technique, the women in question would have died.
It’s like asking someone who saved his own life with a gun whether guns should be banned because other people use them to commit murder.
The PBA debate is every bit as much manufactured bullshit as the AWB debate–it’s a rare procedure performed to save the lives of women in peril…not something people do because they’re bored.
And Manish is right…some of you people so concerned about “life” are pretty sick fucks.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Neither of you know what I believe, so be careful of your rhetoric, although I’m not surprised you took it that way. And I am not ashamed of my comment because it is true; both men DID hold their beliefs, however rightly or wrongly, at a level of practice most Americans cannot begin to fathom.
By the way, the ELCA church that Tiller attended is unclear and wishywashy on much of what the Bible says is sin and right Christian practice. In other places they play a word game with “religious words” that no longer mean much to a majority of Americans, and they have moved outside what many would recognize as the historic Christian faith. That is not my fault. Show me one Biblically Christian teaching that allows a woman to kill her own child.
Manish, your “eye for an eye” comment is precisely the kind of bumper sticker statement that keeps true dialogue and understanding from breaking out in this country. But then, this IS the internet. Rather than point out why I am disgusting, address the whole idea of when someone else’s “choice” trumps another being’s “right to life”… that IS after all, what this is all about.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Is that really relevant? …It’s like asking someone who saved his own life with a gun whether guns should be banned because other people use them to commit murder.
No, it would be like asking all killings with guns to be legal because sometimes it’s self defense. The a-hole who shot Tiller probably believed himself to be defending an innocent third party from a threat to its life. But I don’t think we’ll want to let him off for that reason.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Bill–show me where the bible addresses DXE and you might be onto something. If you can’t see where reasonable Christians can disagree on something like this, I don’t think you have a very Christian view of Christianity.
YAG–that’s another way of looking at it, but from the point of view of the person whose life was saved I think the comparison is valid–you don’t take something away from EVERYONE just because someone somewhere might someday misuse it.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Hey BillH..I am a vegetarian and believe that killing animals is wrong and see little difference between killing humans and killing cows (though I do see a difference). However, I’m also a believer that others should have the right to make that moral decision for themselves and am thus opposed to much of what PETA stands for. The same holds with abortion.
Claiming some level of moral equivalence of what Dr. Tiller did and what his murderer did shows a profound disconnect from reality. Dr. Tiller was a medical doctor that performed life saving procedures..just read the link that Sebastian posted.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:39 pm
I do not feel anything special for this murder more than any other one. I am, however, getting pretty sick of the eulogizing on both sides about this particular one just because he did abortions. If he was not famous for murdering the unborn, and was just some common everyday schlep, then nobody would be forced to care.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Sebastian, I’ll not try to ignore that you lumped me into the “sick f” category, as well as the sly insult about my own Christianity (I expect better, but am not surprised) and I’ll ask again in an expanded way. If Christianity is a historical faith, with a written scripture that has existed for centuries, and a deep historical record of teachings based on that scripture, show me where in that scripture or even in that historic faith it is allowable for a woman to kill her child (because both the strict and even the most progressive of modern “christian churches” recognize that walking up to a man and shooting him is murder, I felt that we needn’t discuss that part) . Appeals to modern medicine and statistically exceedingly rare individual cases, to say nothing of a version of Christianity that would have been recognized as controversial at best for at least 19 of the past 20 centuries, doesn’t answer the root question of the debate… who’s “choice” trumps the inalienable “right to life”? And how is >any< abortion defendable for a Christian? I can understand reasonable Christians disagreeing over the type of music in church, whether to baptise babies or not, or any of a number of lesser subjects. I don’t consider abortion one of those subjects, although the modern humanist culture has succeeded in making many Christians doubt “did God really say ‘Thou shalt not murder’?” and many are quick, both in and out of the faith, to shout “unreasonable” and “sick f” at those who might disagree and be bold enough to point it out.
Please note, I’m not defending the other murderer. My original comment was intended to point out two ironies, an abortionist in church and that both men were willing to kill for what they believed in… neither killing being condoned by the scriptures they both professed to follow… you’ve been so quick to call me a sick f and all, you’ve completely missed what I said.
Speaking of statistics, did you know That 8 abortion doctors have been murdered since 1977? And that there are 4 million members in the ELCA? And since Tiller started practicing, there have been more than 40 Million abortions? I’m not the guy you should be arguing with 😉
June 1st, 2009 at 4:52 pm
you don’t take something away from EVERYONE just because someone somewhere might someday misuse it.
No, but you still can (and IMO should) criminalize it’s misuse.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Manish, in case you don’t take time to read my last comment, here’s a quote
because both the strict and even the most progressive of modern “christian churches” recognize that walking up to a man and shooting him is murder, I felt that we needn’t discuss that part
it’s called irony. We’ll save the “moral equivalence” debate for another day.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:59 pm
BillH–as a point of clarity, I should have noted that was in reference to BooHoo, who compared the recently deceased to Jeff Dahmer. To the extent that got directed at you, apologies.
June 1st, 2009 at 5:36 pm
I don’t condone ANY act of murder, but I do NOT mourn the death of those that have willfully murdered thousands upon thousands of unborn babies! It’s all about the method of removal, and the location OF the removal, and while it’s not right to murder the abortionists, is there not some poetic justice involved? Stopping one to save the many?
I wonder how that retroactive late term, VERY late term abortion felt for the good doctor?
I hope he saw it coming, that’s a lot more than HIS victims got!
June 1st, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Somehow the incident reminds me of the Circle Jerks tune. The video is nice as a window into the silly, ultra-ignorant mind of the popular American Left. Though the tune pre-dates Dubya by some years, the original sentiment is probably very similar.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Add TexasFred to the sick fucks list. Dude, the guy saved the lives of women with an emergency procedure. What part of that is hard to understand? DXEs aren’t procedures done out of boredom or fits of fancy–they’re performed when the fetus can’t be delivered safely and often as the result of condition that precludes the birth of a healthy baby.
Maybe if you were concerned as much about the already living women he helped as you were about the fetuses in question you wouldn’t be in the rather morally questionable position of seeming non-plussed about an unarmed man gunned down in cold blood over a political dispute.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Oh, and like it or not…abortion is a LEGAL procedure, even if not done to save women’s lives (as it apparently was in some of the cases I linked to).
If you don’t think it’s a moral procedure…that’s your right.
But what’s so despicable about the equivocation seen in posts by the BooHoos and Freds of the world is that you guys would never tolerate someone on the left deciding to kill people who don’t share your moral convictions. Dick Cheney and George Bush caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and thousands of American soldiers. Would you shrug off someone murdering them in a similar fashion?
Of course not.
Your hypocrisy reeks to high heaven…”pro-life” people who only think some people are worthy of life.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Can somebody tell me the difference between Bill Ayers (who made a point of trying to only do property damage) and the guy who killed Tiller? Are they not both terrorists?
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:10 am
Let me get this straight: Abortion is moral because its legal ; but not the Iraq war because thousands of people have been killed indirectly ; however, abortion is moral even thought millions have been murdered intentionally. Both are legal, less people have been murdered in Iraq, yet abortion is completely moral. Hmm…
Furthermore, not crying over Tiller being murdered is not akin to supporting the person who murdered him. There is no good reason for a stranger like myself to concern myself more with this death than any other. Nobody has given a good reason why he should mourned as if he were some hero.
While the comments on support for abortion in general proves the absolute need for increased moral education in modern society, at the very least can we pin down the differences of ‘killing’ versus ‘murder?’ That all murder is killing, but not vice-versa? Please?
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:26 am
Ummm the guy who killed Tiller will most definetly STAY in jail, and Bill Ayers gets a hotline into the oval office…
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:05 am
This nicely underscores the women-are-chattel attitude that represents the foundation of much of the pro-life movement. The guy saved the lives of lots of women…but that doesn’t count, right?
The internal inconsistency is entirely on the pro-life side, btw. You can’t mourn the death of fetuses and not mourn the death of Tiller if you think all life needs be preserved and protected.
But if you don’t think abortion is murder and you don’t think it’s immoral, there’s no inconsistency.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm
So Nate..do you agree that Tiller’s killer is a terrorist?
Why did we mourn the deaths of the people killed on 9/11 or Daniel Pearl? Because they were killed by terrorists, the same here. Dr. Tiller was killed by a terrorist.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Relax PGP, he was just a clump of cells.
No loss.
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Damn PGP, you are hysterical as well as wrong. Hysteria usually accompanies a suspicion that one’s position is untenable.