Wow! I am a conservative and I think she did a good and unusual lesson. This may save her son later in life. I taught my son on his civil rights and to be polit to police
Showing disrespect to police (regardless of your race) will not earn you any points. Police have a lot of discretion (especially in traffic stops). Being truthful, polite, and complying with their requests may get you a warning instead of a ticket. Being belligerent and combative will only escalate the situation and may find you in the slammer with your car impounded.
Some people can’t look past the color of your skin. That doesn’t excuse your own bad behavior. How about we nominate this woman for Mother of the Year.
This is not a black or white thing at all. It’s about how we react to authority. My Daddy liked to drive fast, so fast that he got pulled over for speeding more than once when I was riding with him. When talking with the officer he immediately became subservient and respectful. He didn’t like doing it and I didn’t like seeing it but what he taught me works. It’s even got me a warning instead of a ticket. So if you can stomach being humble then do so, but only you can determine how many of your rights are abused before reacting.
When I was a new teenage driver in NC, my father told me quite sternly that I was never to argue with a policeman. He explained that cops hit first. He also said that I wasn’t to argue with police, but he would support me fully in arguing in front of a judge.
Good advice. Being nice to the Sheriff, Constable, Police and State Patrol officers who have pulled me over for one reason or other has saved me from at least 4 speeding tickets that were well deserved. Arguing in front of the traffic court judges, well, that has only saved me a few points on my license so far. But then, my dad did not explain that most traffic enforcement is done to raise revenue, not for safety.
Always be polite and respectful to someone with nearly arbitrary authority over you – even if there’s no “good” reason you should be. Cops shouldn’t treat you differently based on how nice you are… but being human beings, some of them will.
As far as I’ve been able to tell, the one of the biggest reasons that urban black kids have worse experiences with police than suburban white kids (or even suburban black kids!) is that they’ve had it reinforced that they should be rude to cops to “keep it real”.
It is thus a self-perpetuating cycle.
(Contra the comments on the original link, I’m pretty sure that cops don’t think “a black man” is more likely to be a threat. I’m pretty sure they do react to class markers and body language, however, and since so much of urban black male culture is aggressive body language and “thug” class markers and dress, it’s easy to confuse it with a reaction to skin color.
I’d bet a dollar that a man with even darker skin, dressed for business and acting politely, gets treated pretty much just like a man with very light skin, dressed and acting identically.
Just as the police know that the “white trash” guy who’s all twitchy and aggro is more likely to be a threat, even though he’s pale as anything.)
Well, because of lot of them are all “It’s my right to be rude to a cop and they should just stand there and take it and if they don’t it’s because they’re jackbooted thugs on an ego/authority trip”.
Yeah, well, maybe you *ought* to be able to do that. But a woman *ought* to be able to jog in Central Park at 2am in a bikini and not be attacked too. Doesn’t make it *smart*.
I was arrested years ago, and the booking officer actually thanked me for being polite (although I’m pretty sure it ZERO bearing on my sentencing.) I was, of course, unhappy to be arrested and cuffed, but I was guilty, and I have no real grievance with anyone but myself for that event. The exchange went something like this:
Officer: You’ve been very cooperative and polite. I appreciate that.
Me: What was I gonna do? Fight you guys?
Officer: A lot of people do.
Me: Yeah, and where are they now?
Officer: Most are in jail.
Me: (smiles and nods)
August 24th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Wow! I am a conservative and I think she did a good and unusual lesson. This may save her son later in life. I taught my son on his civil rights and to be polit to police
August 24th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Showing disrespect to police (regardless of your race) will not earn you any points. Police have a lot of discretion (especially in traffic stops). Being truthful, polite, and complying with their requests may get you a warning instead of a ticket. Being belligerent and combative will only escalate the situation and may find you in the slammer with your car impounded.
Some people can’t look past the color of your skin. That doesn’t excuse your own bad behavior. How about we nominate this woman for Mother of the Year.
August 24th, 2009 at 11:37 am
This is not a black or white thing at all. It’s about how we react to authority. My Daddy liked to drive fast, so fast that he got pulled over for speeding more than once when I was riding with him. When talking with the officer he immediately became subservient and respectful. He didn’t like doing it and I didn’t like seeing it but what he taught me works. It’s even got me a warning instead of a ticket. So if you can stomach being humble then do so, but only you can determine how many of your rights are abused before reacting.
August 24th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
When I was a new teenage driver in NC, my father told me quite sternly that I was never to argue with a policeman. He explained that cops hit first. He also said that I wasn’t to argue with police, but he would support me fully in arguing in front of a judge.
Good advice. Being nice to the Sheriff, Constable, Police and State Patrol officers who have pulled me over for one reason or other has saved me from at least 4 speeding tickets that were well deserved. Arguing in front of the traffic court judges, well, that has only saved me a few points on my license so far. But then, my dad did not explain that most traffic enforcement is done to raise revenue, not for safety.
August 24th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Alchemyst and Mikee are dead right.
Always be polite and respectful to someone with nearly arbitrary authority over you – even if there’s no “good” reason you should be. Cops shouldn’t treat you differently based on how nice you are… but being human beings, some of them will.
As far as I’ve been able to tell, the one of the biggest reasons that urban black kids have worse experiences with police than suburban white kids (or even suburban black kids!) is that they’ve had it reinforced that they should be rude to cops to “keep it real”.
It is thus a self-perpetuating cycle.
(Contra the comments on the original link, I’m pretty sure that cops don’t think “a black man” is more likely to be a threat. I’m pretty sure they do react to class markers and body language, however, and since so much of urban black male culture is aggressive body language and “thug” class markers and dress, it’s easy to confuse it with a reaction to skin color.
I’d bet a dollar that a man with even darker skin, dressed for business and acting politely, gets treated pretty much just like a man with very light skin, dressed and acting identically.
Just as the police know that the “white trash” guy who’s all twitchy and aggro is more likely to be a threat, even though he’s pale as anything.)
August 24th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
“A soft answer turneth away wrath, but grievous words stir up anger.” –Proverbs 15:1
August 24th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
All of that’s well and good, guys, but why are there prominent GOPers making jackasses of themselves over this?
August 24th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Well, because of lot of them are all “It’s my right to be rude to a cop and they should just stand there and take it and if they don’t it’s because they’re jackbooted thugs on an ego/authority trip”.
Yeah, well, maybe you *ought* to be able to do that. But a woman *ought* to be able to jog in Central Park at 2am in a bikini and not be attacked too. Doesn’t make it *smart*.
August 24th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
I was arrested years ago, and the booking officer actually thanked me for being polite (although I’m pretty sure it ZERO bearing on my sentencing.) I was, of course, unhappy to be arrested and cuffed, but I was guilty, and I have no real grievance with anyone but myself for that event. The exchange went something like this:
Officer: You’ve been very cooperative and polite. I appreciate that.
Me: What was I gonna do? Fight you guys?
Officer: A lot of people do.
Me: Yeah, and where are they now?
Officer: Most are in jail.
Me: (smiles and nods)