Huh uh! No way can the ATF be doing the right thing when the law they enforce is repugnant to the constitution and their charter is disallowed by the constitution. The agency’s existence is unlawful, therefore everything they do is the wrong thing.
What Straightarrow said!!! Bunch of silly, foolish requirements on silencers upheld by arrogant ATF officers is a receipt for civil disobedience. Both the silencer rules and the ATF ought to be disbanded.
I agree that the ATF should be abolished. I agree the suppressor laws, regulations, and taxes should not exist.
But until that happens they should be praised for doing their job in a professional manner rather than as jack-booted thugs as they sometimes are. It’s not their job to ignore the existing law any more than it would be the job of the local sheriff to ignore a law against murder when it was a lynching of a black or gay person.
Can’t agree, it’s every persons duty to ignore an unconstitutional law. If I can ignore an immoral or illegal law, order or regulation as a Marine NCO I can sure as heck do the same in any other capacity in this country (i.e. citizen, LEO, truck driver, hobo, whatever).
At Nuremburg the laws in “question” were understood to be so universal that no one could reasonably consider them valid laws. Suppressors have a long history in both this country and most others of being regulated. If you were to ask 100 people at random in this country if such a law were “reasonable” I’ll bet 99 would say yes. Not so with forced labor and gassing of Jews, communists, and homosexuals.
Until the Supreme Court says those laws are unconstitution or the legislature repeals them it is the job of the courts and law enforcement to actually enforce them.
A $25 fine and probation is a reasonable outcome for the given situation.
A $25 fine is designed to make it economically prohibitive to question the law itself. As for universality of the law, what is more universal than our second amendment? Are we not the people? Is there some enumerated power granted to government to regulate suppressors?
If the answer to the first question is yes, and no to second question, then it is not reasonable. Being affordable does not connote reason.
December 7th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Huh uh! No way can the ATF be doing the right thing when the law they enforce is repugnant to the constitution and their charter is disallowed by the constitution. The agency’s existence is unlawful, therefore everything they do is the wrong thing.
December 7th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
What Straightarrow said!!! Bunch of silly, foolish requirements on silencers upheld by arrogant ATF officers is a receipt for civil disobedience. Both the silencer rules and the ATF ought to be disbanded.
December 7th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
I agree that the ATF should be abolished. I agree the suppressor laws, regulations, and taxes should not exist.
But until that happens they should be praised for doing their job in a professional manner rather than as jack-booted thugs as they sometimes are. It’s not their job to ignore the existing law any more than it would be the job of the local sheriff to ignore a law against murder when it was a lynching of a black or gay person.
December 7th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Can’t agree, it’s every persons duty to ignore an unconstitutional law. If I can ignore an immoral or illegal law, order or regulation as a Marine NCO I can sure as heck do the same in any other capacity in this country (i.e. citizen, LEO, truck driver, hobo, whatever).
December 7th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
“It’s not their job to ignore the existing law …”
But Joe, the very same thing was offered at defense at Nuremburg by the camp supervisors.
If the principle doesn’t apply through all the strata somebody is cheating.
December 7th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
At Nuremburg the laws in “question” were understood to be so universal that no one could reasonably consider them valid laws. Suppressors have a long history in both this country and most others of being regulated. If you were to ask 100 people at random in this country if such a law were “reasonable” I’ll bet 99 would say yes. Not so with forced labor and gassing of Jews, communists, and homosexuals.
Until the Supreme Court says those laws are unconstitution or the legislature repeals them it is the job of the courts and law enforcement to actually enforce them.
A $25 fine and probation is a reasonable outcome for the given situation.
December 8th, 2009 at 1:45 am
A $25 fine is designed to make it economically prohibitive to question the law itself. As for universality of the law, what is more universal than our second amendment? Are we not the people? Is there some enumerated power granted to government to regulate suppressors?
If the answer to the first question is yes, and no to second question, then it is not reasonable. Being affordable does not connote reason.
December 8th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
See, this is why I propose flogging straightarrow. He’s an unreconstructed hillbilly.
December 8th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
and don’t forget he commits the unpardonable sin of being right when the rest are wrong.
and he’s overly modest, did I mention that?