The appeal is where the real action is here. The sad reality is that most (not all, but most) federal district judges will not take 2A claims seriously until the courts of appeals make clear that they must.
The D.C. Circuit (i.e., U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit) is not a bad court. It gave us the initial pro-2A ruling in Parker v. D.C. that enabled Heller to reach the Supreme Court.
Much will depend on which three D.C. Circuit judges get drawn as the “panel” that hears this appeal.
OK, this one is for most of the marbles. When it gets back to the Supremes, they will have to rule on whether the 2nd applies to only muzzleloaders or real guns.
The wardens rule on what the inmates may or may not possess, and call it due process. Corrupt systems are constitutionally incapable of producing freedom or justice.
Does any other individual right, enumerated in the Constitution, suffer “intermediate scrutiny” from courts? I will have to go to volokh.com to find out, as IANAL, but I don’t think so.
“Strict scrutiny” is what the courts usually use to test limitations on individual rights, and they find darn few limits that are OK.
I can use a condom for consensual sex, to protect myself against the possibility of disease or my partner against possible pregnancy, because of Griswold v Connecticut, in which the unenumerated right to privacy enjoyed by all Americans was cited as a reason to use “strict scrutiny” in testing laws that limit individual choices in birth control. But “intermediate scrutiny” is OK for the 2nd Amendment?
I want whatever prescription that judge is on, because it distorts the heck out of reality.
I believe when Heller was decided that I warned everybody that this was exactly what it would allow. Anybody ready yet to decide I may not be crazy? Just askin’.
It will be tough for the Supremes to overturn this decision because their own words were used in it. “in the home”, “not unlimited”, “reasonable restrictions”. Makes it pretty tough to later come back and say we wussed out and we’re sorry when egos are that big.
It’s not going to the Supremes next, it’s going to the DC Court of Appeals.
It will be fairly easy for the CoA to note once the facts are entered (should they so choose politically to do so, which will depend on who catches the case) that AW’s and standard cap mags are in common use and that the proposed restrictions are in the minority among the states, are not the current policy nor position of the US gov’t (Brady expiration and majority of Congress being on record against it) and thus are not truly reasonably related to a government interest.
Further, Palmer is still pending which challenges the “in the home” restriction in DC.
This was a political call by a judge who should have probably punted given McDonald and Palmer being only a couple months from decision. Regardless, if it does go to SCOTUS, they don’t have to say “you got us, we’re stuck, we were wrong”, they simply have to say, “you totally misunderstood us knucklehead”.
Before SCOTUS hears this case (assuming it’s appealed that far, which is likely), many events will occur first to shape the political battlefield.
1) The decision of McDonald v Chicago, and the reaction to it. The vote of Sotomayor noteworthy in particular.
2) The election of 2010. 1994 all over again?
3) A confirmation fight over a new SCOTUS justice.
If all goes according to my hopes, the environment during which the SCOTUS review takes place will be much more pro-gun than it is today. In fact I think the Supreme Court would hear the case no earlier than during the presidential election season of 2012!
Judges do seem to pay attention to popular will, as in the 1937 “switch in time which saved nine”
Brad says: Supreme Court Justice Stevens says he will retire before 2013, thereby allowing Obama to appoint his replacement.
That’ll work out great if his party is not in control of the Senate, or has enough party defectors that will hold out for kick-backs in return for sufficiently large take-home pork.
Will be interesting to see what the warrants conatain. Perhaps Washington is not waiting for the SCOTUS ruling, or perhaps there was an attack planned by domestic terrorrists
March 26th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Ah, the old “The ban is valid cause no one has them cause they’re banned” argument. One of my favorites.
March 26th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
As expected.
March 26th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
The appeal is where the real action is here. The sad reality is that most (not all, but most) federal district judges will not take 2A claims seriously until the courts of appeals make clear that they must.
The D.C. Circuit (i.e., U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit) is not a bad court. It gave us the initial pro-2A ruling in Parker v. D.C. that enabled Heller to reach the Supreme Court.
Much will depend on which three D.C. Circuit judges get drawn as the “panel” that hears this appeal.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
OK, this one is for most of the marbles. When it gets back to the Supremes, they will have to rule on whether the 2nd applies to only muzzleloaders or real guns.
March 26th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
The wardens rule on what the inmates may or may not possess, and call it due process. Corrupt systems are constitutionally incapable of producing freedom or justice.
March 27th, 2010 at 9:54 am
Does any other individual right, enumerated in the Constitution, suffer “intermediate scrutiny” from courts? I will have to go to volokh.com to find out, as IANAL, but I don’t think so.
“Strict scrutiny” is what the courts usually use to test limitations on individual rights, and they find darn few limits that are OK.
I can use a condom for consensual sex, to protect myself against the possibility of disease or my partner against possible pregnancy, because of Griswold v Connecticut, in which the unenumerated right to privacy enjoyed by all Americans was cited as a reason to use “strict scrutiny” in testing laws that limit individual choices in birth control. But “intermediate scrutiny” is OK for the 2nd Amendment?
I want whatever prescription that judge is on, because it distorts the heck out of reality.
March 27th, 2010 at 11:00 am
^ Mongo approve this message.
March 27th, 2010 at 11:20 am
I believe when Heller was decided that I warned everybody that this was exactly what it would allow. Anybody ready yet to decide I may not be crazy? Just askin’.
March 27th, 2010 at 11:23 am
It will be tough for the Supremes to overturn this decision because their own words were used in it. “in the home”, “not unlimited”, “reasonable restrictions”. Makes it pretty tough to later come back and say we wussed out and we’re sorry when egos are that big.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
It’s not going to the Supremes next, it’s going to the DC Court of Appeals.
It will be fairly easy for the CoA to note once the facts are entered (should they so choose politically to do so, which will depend on who catches the case) that AW’s and standard cap mags are in common use and that the proposed restrictions are in the minority among the states, are not the current policy nor position of the US gov’t (Brady expiration and majority of Congress being on record against it) and thus are not truly reasonably related to a government interest.
Further, Palmer is still pending which challenges the “in the home” restriction in DC.
This was a political call by a judge who should have probably punted given McDonald and Palmer being only a couple months from decision. Regardless, if it does go to SCOTUS, they don’t have to say “you got us, we’re stuck, we were wrong”, they simply have to say, “you totally misunderstood us knucklehead”.
March 27th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
Before SCOTUS hears this case (assuming it’s appealed that far, which is likely), many events will occur first to shape the political battlefield.
1) The decision of McDonald v Chicago, and the reaction to it. The vote of Sotomayor noteworthy in particular.
2) The election of 2010. 1994 all over again?
3) A confirmation fight over a new SCOTUS justice.
If all goes according to my hopes, the environment during which the SCOTUS review takes place will be much more pro-gun than it is today. In fact I think the Supreme Court would hear the case no earlier than during the presidential election season of 2012!
Judges do seem to pay attention to popular will, as in the 1937 “switch in time which saved nine”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_switch_in_time_that_saved_nine
March 27th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700016846/US-Supreme-Courts-Justice-John-Paul-Stevens-says-he-will-retire-during-Obama-presidency.html
Supreme Court Justice Stevens says he will retire before 2013, thereby allowing Obama to appoint his replacement.
March 27th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Brad says: Supreme Court Justice Stevens says he will retire before 2013, thereby allowing Obama to appoint his replacement.
That’ll work out great if his party is not in control of the Senate, or has enough party defectors that will hold out for kick-backs in return for sufficiently large take-home pork.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Will be interesting to see what the warrants conatain. Perhaps Washington is not waiting for the SCOTUS ruling, or perhaps there was an attack planned by domestic terrorrists
FBI raid Huron for militia members last night/.
http://www.sanduskyregister.com/articles/2010/03/27/front/doc4bae9ec40d713435821346.txt
Hammond Illinois site raided, militia arrested. Saturday night.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/03/fbi-agents-raid-hammond-location.html
Militia radio shut down since Saturday night. Broadcast about roundups silenced.
http://www.militiaradio.com/updated-sitrep/
Saturday night raid on Michigan militia.
http://www.wxyz.com/news/story/FBI-Conducts-Raids/eE6ZljBWa0uFOMUdtOLzvw.cspx
Homeland security/FBI news broadcast Saturday night raid on militia members.
Part 1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyak-E5gTAY
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJk3TcMRg5E
Warrants are sealed and will bereveald on Monday
March 28th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
Hammond is in Indiana, not Illinois. It is an “L” shaped tetris piece snuggled up to Chicago and Lake Michigan.
The FBI raids were coming for some time. They had been staging myriad of FBI vehicles out of the West Lafayette Indiana State Police post near me.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Wait for it Matthew, but lube up.