I see the same discussion on flag burning relationship over at the Volokh Conspiracy
I suppose if you’re burning the Koran in a theater…
Well, I don’t find the topic particularly funny since they defend the religion of peace for it’s extreme violence but expect Americans to stand about peacefully as someone desecrates something that they value.
I sure as hell am not in favor of burning the flag. Yeah, ******, it’s your “free speech” but why do you need to impose it on me? Do it on your backyard barbecue when I’m at the Fourth of July parade.
I have the same visceral reaction about burning books. You don’t like them, don’t ******** buy them or read them. I will gladly discuss with you whether Mein Kampf or the Koran are full of bilge, but please spare me the drama.
You can’t shout fire in a theater because fire is dangerous, right? So we keep fire carefully contained and destroy it mercilessly when it gets out of control. We even have dedicated firefighters in almost every town and village.
That is asinine. So this entire theory rests upon the fact that shouting fire in a theater= burning a Koran, because the Muslims will break the law and attack you for burning said Koran. That means, under this twisted theory, that Koran burning is a direct cause of violence.
By that same logic, if I begin punching everyone in the face who burns a flag, it is the flag burning that is the crime, and not the punching? So all someone has to do is get violent when others attempt to exercise their rights, and those rights disappear?
A woman refuses to give me sexual favors, and I punch her, then it was obviously her failure to perform that caused the punching.
If you refuse to hand over the contents of your wallet, I will kill you. Your refusal to do so is a direct cause of violence, therefore you no longer have the right to keep your wallet.
In the ’80s it was teenagers. In the ’90s it was feral 11-year olds. Now it’s Muslims. Personally, I’m scared ****less of little old ladies with blue-dyed hair.
If you burn an American flag that is made in China, does it still count? Just a thought.
Threatening to burn the Quran is in no way the same as shouting fire in a crowded theater. Shouting fire in a crowded theater puts people in immediate danger. Threatening to burn a symbol of someone’s religion does no such thing. Actually doing it is a different debate altogether.
The crowded theater remains the crowded theater. Breyer’s lame effort at rationalizing the idea into the realm of abstraction is wrong. Expression of contempt for symbols is part of our ever ongoing national dialogue that is based on the freedom of speech that we have enshrined in our Constitution. Breyer spoke like a first year law student who had too much to drink the night before. He now looks like a fool and perhaps he is one.
I strongly recommend reading Scalia’s concurrence in McDonald, wherein he eviscerates Breyer’s specious arguments that judges get to decide the meaning of the law – interpreting it as the judge sees best for the public good, rather than reading the plain language of the text.
The Supreme Court made up the right to Freedom of Expression, the Left endorsed it, and now it’s coming back to bite them on their little pinko asses. If your right to express a political or religious opinion in the form of speech or text also extends to physical actions which are neither in defense of, nor in many cases related to a philosophical or moral belief, then you can do whatever you want.
Any legitimate reading of “Freedom of Expression” literally gives you THE RIGHT to burn books, and engage in PUBLIC orgies, destroy public property (such as the National Ensign in the original court case), and do any number of perverse, immoral, unsanitary, and dangerous things in the name of “expressing” yourself. That means if you want to burn a Koran a day and broadcast it on Youtube or some other source, then you have the right to do that, regardless of what the courts say.
September 15th, 2010 at 9:46 am
But you can still burn Old Glory, right?
September 15th, 2010 at 10:16 am
I see the same discussion on flag burning relationship over at the Volokh Conspiracy
I suppose if you’re burning the Koran in a theater…
Well, I don’t find the topic particularly funny since they defend the religion of peace for it’s extreme violence but expect Americans to stand about peacefully as someone desecrates something that they value.
Breyer is an imbecile.
September 15th, 2010 at 10:42 am
I sure as hell am not in favor of burning the flag. Yeah, ******, it’s your “free speech” but why do you need to impose it on me? Do it on your backyard barbecue when I’m at the Fourth of July parade.
I have the same visceral reaction about burning books. You don’t like them, don’t ******** buy them or read them. I will gladly discuss with you whether Mein Kampf or the Koran are full of bilge, but please spare me the drama.
September 15th, 2010 at 11:06 am
You can’t shout fire in a theater because fire is dangerous, right? So we keep fire carefully contained and destroy it mercilessly when it gets out of control. We even have dedicated firefighters in almost every town and village.
Is that the standard for Muslims now?
September 15th, 2010 at 11:28 am
Let’s see…burning Korans brings out the fanatics that want to kill me.
Result Target Rich Environment
Shout “Fire!”……
September 15th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
A great example of why the Bill of Rights was written in plain language.
Because we the people are supposed to interpret the Constitution, not the 9 people in black robes.
And this person says that NFA34 and GCA68 are “infringements”.
September 15th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
That is asinine. So this entire theory rests upon the fact that shouting fire in a theater= burning a Koran, because the Muslims will break the law and attack you for burning said Koran. That means, under this twisted theory, that Koran burning is a direct cause of violence.
By that same logic, if I begin punching everyone in the face who burns a flag, it is the flag burning that is the crime, and not the punching? So all someone has to do is get violent when others attempt to exercise their rights, and those rights disappear?
A woman refuses to give me sexual favors, and I punch her, then it was obviously her failure to perform that caused the punching.
If you refuse to hand over the contents of your wallet, I will kill you. Your refusal to do so is a direct cause of violence, therefore you no longer have the right to keep your wallet.
This game is fun.
September 15th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
“Just because you have a right to do something in America does not mean it is the right thing to do.”
That seems to be the attitude of far too many of these so called “leaders” these days.
September 15th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
In the ’80s it was teenagers. In the ’90s it was feral 11-year olds. Now it’s Muslims. Personally, I’m scared ****less of little old ladies with blue-dyed hair.
September 15th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
If you burn an American flag that is made in China, does it still count? Just a thought.
Threatening to burn the Quran is in no way the same as shouting fire in a crowded theater. Shouting fire in a crowded theater puts people in immediate danger. Threatening to burn a symbol of someone’s religion does no such thing. Actually doing it is a different debate altogether.
September 15th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Way too many idiots in D.C. now. Unfortunately, they’re more fascist than idiotic.
September 15th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
“And what is the crowded theater today?”
The crowded theater remains the crowded theater. Breyer’s lame effort at rationalizing the idea into the realm of abstraction is wrong. Expression of contempt for symbols is part of our ever ongoing national dialogue that is based on the freedom of speech that we have enshrined in our Constitution. Breyer spoke like a first year law student who had too much to drink the night before. He now looks like a fool and perhaps he is one.
September 15th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
I strongly recommend reading Scalia’s concurrence in McDonald, wherein he eviscerates Breyer’s specious arguments that judges get to decide the meaning of the law – interpreting it as the judge sees best for the public good, rather than reading the plain language of the text.
Breyer is a dangerous justice.
September 16th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
The Supreme Court made up the right to Freedom of Expression, the Left endorsed it, and now it’s coming back to bite them on their little pinko asses. If your right to express a political or religious opinion in the form of speech or text also extends to physical actions which are neither in defense of, nor in many cases related to a philosophical or moral belief, then you can do whatever you want.
Any legitimate reading of “Freedom of Expression” literally gives you THE RIGHT to burn books, and engage in PUBLIC orgies, destroy public property (such as the National Ensign in the original court case), and do any number of perverse, immoral, unsanitary, and dangerous things in the name of “expressing” yourself. That means if you want to burn a Koran a day and broadcast it on Youtube or some other source, then you have the right to do that, regardless of what the courts say.
September 16th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Next time you are in a theater, shout,”ALLAHU AKBAR!” about halfway through the show, and watch the fun. 😀