The perfect pocket pistol
I don’t know that such a thing exists. If it fits well in your pocket, it probably doesn’t have enough oomph. If it has enough oomph, it doesn’t fit well in your pocket.
Remember, I do this to entertain me, not you.
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October 21st, 2010 at 9:21 am
The Kel-Tec is thinner and lighter. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. ;D
October 21st, 2010 at 9:23 am
I carry a KelTec P3AT with a crimson trace laser on it in my pocket… with the holster that comes with the CT, it looks just like a wallet. 380 ACP might not have a lot of oomph, but a well placed shot at close range will really give someone a bad day.
October 21st, 2010 at 10:56 am
Like I always say, if you draw and fire on somebody, they’re not going to be concerned with your pistol’s caliber.
At the ranges P3ATs and LCPs are useful, they will do the damage you need.
October 21st, 2010 at 11:20 am
I have an LCP. Nice little gun. It’s my go-to when I don’t feel like hauling around a big heavy hunk of metal.
October 21st, 2010 at 12:14 pm
The perfect pocket pistol will detect your enemy fron a mile away, leave your pocket, disable him, and return, without you even noticing.
I like the Walther PPK. Maybe because I’ve had one for 48 years. YMMV.
October 21st, 2010 at 12:15 pm
As soon as I figure out that pocket flamethrower I’ll have it made….
October 21st, 2010 at 12:28 pm
My Para Carry 9 in a Destanis holster works very well
October 21st, 2010 at 1:00 pm
Here ya go:
http://gunmart.blogspot.com/2010/10/perfect-pocket-pistol.html
😀
October 21st, 2010 at 1:34 pm
There’s no such thing as a Perfect Pocket Pistol. What all of you are trying to say is “best compromise in a pocket pistol”.
For me, that category has to have something which will project an expanding bullet at least 1,000 fps, and most of these Pocket Shorties won’t do that in .380 ACP. The solution is to go to a 9X19, which will spit 1,000 fps in it’s shortest incarnations.
In that caliber, I like two pistols, the Kel-Tec P-11, but as a double-stack it’s not very slim, an inch, or the PF-9, at 0.88″, slim indeed. Barrels are 3″, so you have to take something off the published exterior ballistics for the europellet, which are measured out of 4 or 5″ barrels.
Feeding reliability of HP ammo is ALWAYS a concern, so the best compromise in 9X19 is Federal Classic, a hot round, but one with a small opening, and the bullet shape is more rounded and less elongated. In my P-11, I carry a 147-grain subsonic in the pipe, then 3 Federal Classic, then 7 NATO-STANAG military 124-gr rounds. The subsonic SHOULD defeat the target, and the 3 HP certainly will, but if I’ve had to waste rounds in a multi-shooter scenario, I want PENETRATION, so the last 7 are good penetrators. The spare mag is ALL NATO 124-grain.
Pocket pistol? Yeah, if you want to be safer, get a bigger pocket and carry a bigger gun.
October 21st, 2010 at 1:59 pm
My mother in law has an LCP. I’ve seen it malfunction too many times in her hands for it to be considered “perfect”. Every year at the Polite Society conference, dozens of national level trainers meet and compete, and every year the subject of “best backup gun” comes up. The S&W J frame has been the most popular BUG for decades among those that shoot a lot and train realistically. Ruger’s LCR might be a challenger to the J-frame but the LCP certainly is not.
October 21st, 2010 at 2:49 pm
Rivrdog-
You can get pretty darn close to that magical 1,000 fps with Corbon. Out of a Kel-Tec you get 950 fps (13 inches of Penetration). Gold Dolt will get you 900 fps and 12 inches of penetration:
http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/380acp/gel380acp.htm
October 21st, 2010 at 5:22 pm
My J-Frame fits in my pocket. Fits well. Rides there constantly.
October 21st, 2010 at 7:21 pm
With all due respect to you snubbie guys out there (I get it, I really do), A hot .380 load is right there on par with .38 special (+p included) out of a snubbie – which rarely breaks the magic 1,000 fps mark. The 125 gr Gold Dots are only barely breaking 900 fps out of a snubbie.
The energy advantage goes to the snubbie at about 225 ft/lbs vs about 180 ft/lbs for a .380, but thats not really anything significant, and I dont think a bad guy could tell the difference.
You might give the nod to the snubbie for reliability, but you can throw that out the window once you shoot the semi auto/ammo enough to know its dependable.
Yeah, a snubbie is a great gun (I’m not trying to take anything away from it), but .380 ammo and guns aint what they used to be.
October 22nd, 2010 at 12:36 am
Only problem I have with the new crop of .380’s in Polymer is my size 2xl hands in relation to their Trigger Guards, especially when I have to wear Gloves up hear by Lake Erie in the Winter (Kel-Tec, are you listening?). But some of the new 9mms out there look promising.
October 22nd, 2010 at 6:05 pm
FITZ SPECIAL!!!1!