You know this type of “stuff” will continue as long as police and prosecutors continue to maintain immunities from the law. If such immunity was subject to oversight through the courts and specifically through juries, a lot of this behavior would stop.
Just as the photographing or filming of public servants is illegal when a cop decides you’re interfering with his authority when there are few laws on the books actually making it illegal, until the law makes the police liable for malpractice nothing is going to change. The police and prosecutors have too much leeway to punish the citizenry through petty arrests that are not based on law. I understand this isn’t the norm by any means, but it is prevalent enough that citizens fear all police all of the time. I would NEVER allow a LEO in my home for any reason (beyond a body on the floor). You never know if you have an honest cop or one looking to score points or some other reason.
I send you a cookie by mail if you can find anywhere in your state’s constitution that gives immunity to judges and prosecutors. Their statutory protections are limited and reasonable, for well ordered liberty. It is case law that absolutely protects them.
Ergo, Minnesota (and every other state) needs a governor with enough political clout and desire to cause a (state) constitutional crisis by throwing judges off the bench, and having prosecutors and judges arrested.
I can’t find a good website on Judges and Prosecutors, but it does exist. I understand it isn’t absolute, but it may as well be since it is enforced by interested parties.
Ergo, Minnesota (and every other state) needs a governor with enough political clout and desire to cause a (state) constitutional crisis by throwing judges off the bench, and having prosecutors and judges arrested.
*shakes head wearily*
You’ve certainly read about the recent elections in our fine state? We’re }this{ close to getting our own Fark tag.
You folks need to get straight on the law. Police and prosecutors are not immune from lawsuits, and governors have little to do with removing police, prosecutors and judges from office. Mr. Rosenberg’s remedy is a lawsuit against the police under 42 United States Code 1942, which prohibits deprivation of constitutional rights under color of law. The police and the municipalities are vulnerable to suit under this law. The way to change behavior of bullies, whether in or out of uniform, is to cost them money. See my book They Came for our Guns, They Came for our Freedom. http://www.williamlafferty.com
As far as the argument over immunity, am I correct in thinking that the law gives immunity to the /individuals/ carrying out official public duties, but but not to their respective agencies? i.e., we can sue their agency, but we can’t sue the actual people to infringed somebody’s rights?
Big deal, he got what he wanted and now he and his family will suffer because of it. There is a right way and a wrong way to go about things. There are also people that have a better reputation and back ground than this guy. I wish him luck on his hunger strike, that will show “them”.
I wonder who he would rather spend time with? MPD or the people he is locked up with.
So Boo doesn’t like Mr. Rosenberg or freedom in general? What else can we find out about Boo? Cynical minds might opine that this servant of the Empire will be found to have A) committed a crime that he was not charged with due to his connections, or B) committed malfeasance in office. Now, why would anyone say that?Possibly because such behavior is often found among those who appeal to AUTHORITAH!
I just hope the health of a guy in his mid 50’s that is over weight, on meds for diabetes, and smokes can take this added stress. Is it still a win if it kills him?
For the record I am hoping he wins in court. Just because I think he was the best person for a test case. I mean who could question this guy? He is a poster boy for test cases. Rest assured my freedom fighters this case was over before it started. He has them RIGHT where he wants them.
So this guy Rosenberg got charged and locked up because someone’s feeling got hurt?
(A someone who apparently needed a refresher course on citizen rights? “Well, we don’t have many people doing what you’re doing — so sorry about the misunderstanding Mr. Rosenbrrg. Have a nice day.
See? That would have been easy.)
It seems like the MPD will all get a refresher course in citizen rights. One that the officer could have done voluntarily and at little cost to their employers.
December 10th, 2010 at 10:54 am
You know this type of “stuff” will continue as long as police and prosecutors continue to maintain immunities from the law. If such immunity was subject to oversight through the courts and specifically through juries, a lot of this behavior would stop.
Just as the photographing or filming of public servants is illegal when a cop decides you’re interfering with his authority when there are few laws on the books actually making it illegal, until the law makes the police liable for malpractice nothing is going to change. The police and prosecutors have too much leeway to punish the citizenry through petty arrests that are not based on law. I understand this isn’t the norm by any means, but it is prevalent enough that citizens fear all police all of the time. I would NEVER allow a LEO in my home for any reason (beyond a body on the floor). You never know if you have an honest cop or one looking to score points or some other reason.
December 10th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
I send you a cookie by mail if you can find anywhere in your state’s constitution that gives immunity to judges and prosecutors. Their statutory protections are limited and reasonable, for well ordered liberty. It is case law that absolutely protects them.
Ergo, Minnesota (and every other state) needs a governor with enough political clout and desire to cause a (state) constitutional crisis by throwing judges off the bench, and having prosecutors and judges arrested.
December 10th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Never claimed it was in the constitution at any level. Just said they had those immunities and they are allowed.
NH police immunity was upheld by the NH supreme court.
I can’t find a good website on Judges and Prosecutors, but it does exist. I understand it isn’t absolute, but it may as well be since it is enforced by interested parties.
December 10th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
Ergo, Minnesota (and every other state) needs a governor with enough political clout and desire to cause a (state) constitutional crisis by throwing judges off the bench, and having prosecutors and judges arrested.
*shakes head wearily*
You’ve certainly read about the recent elections in our fine state? We’re }this{ close to getting our own Fark tag.
December 10th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
You folks need to get straight on the law. Police and prosecutors are not immune from lawsuits, and governors have little to do with removing police, prosecutors and judges from office. Mr. Rosenberg’s remedy is a lawsuit against the police under 42 United States Code 1942, which prohibits deprivation of constitutional rights under color of law. The police and the municipalities are vulnerable to suit under this law. The way to change behavior of bullies, whether in or out of uniform, is to cost them money. See my book They Came for our Guns, They Came for our Freedom. http://www.williamlafferty.com
December 10th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
If they get to violate our rights with impunity, then we get to shoot them in the face. Maybe that will get our point across.
December 10th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
As far as the argument over immunity, am I correct in thinking that the law gives immunity to the /individuals/ carrying out official public duties, but but not to their respective agencies? i.e., we can sue their agency, but we can’t sue the actual people to infringed somebody’s rights?
December 10th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Big deal, he got what he wanted and now he and his family will suffer because of it. There is a right way and a wrong way to go about things. There are also people that have a better reputation and back ground than this guy. I wish him luck on his hunger strike, that will show “them”.
I wonder who he would rather spend time with? MPD or the people he is locked up with.
December 10th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
That’s an interesting IP address you got there Boo Who? Is the empire striking back in comments on blogs?
December 10th, 2010 at 8:43 pm
IT BURNS USSSS!
December 10th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
So Boo doesn’t like Mr. Rosenberg or freedom in general? What else can we find out about Boo? Cynical minds might opine that this servant of the Empire will be found to have A) committed a crime that he was not charged with due to his connections, or B) committed malfeasance in office. Now, why would anyone say that?Possibly because such behavior is often found among those who appeal to AUTHORITAH!
December 10th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
“I wonder who he would rather spend time with? MPD or the people he is locked up with.”
Tough question there. The guys in lock-up probably don’t have much more respect for the law than the MPD. They may have more integrity.
December 10th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
I just hope the health of a guy in his mid 50’s that is over weight, on meds for diabetes, and smokes can take this added stress. Is it still a win if it kills him?
For the record I am hoping he wins in court. Just because I think he was the best person for a test case. I mean who could question this guy? He is a poster boy for test cases. Rest assured my freedom fighters this case was over before it started. He has them RIGHT where he wants them.
December 10th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
WTF is a Boo Who?
December 11th, 2010 at 1:51 am
“I wonder who he would rather spend time with? MPD or the people he is locked up with.”
Judging from the past behavior of the MPD, is there really that much difference?
December 11th, 2010 at 3:27 am
Jesse Garcia III is a big idiot that likes to give man hugs. Palmer was brought in because Jesse was screwing up so much!
December 11th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
So this guy Rosenberg got charged and locked up because someone’s feeling got hurt?
(A someone who apparently needed a refresher course on citizen rights? “Well, we don’t have many people doing what you’re doing — so sorry about the misunderstanding Mr. Rosenbrrg. Have a nice day.
See? That would have been easy.)
It seems like the MPD will all get a refresher course in citizen rights. One that the officer could have done voluntarily and at little cost to their employers.
December 11th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
Release the IP address for “Boo Who”. Time to put an end to thugs in government abusing the law and gloating over it.
December 12th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
I’ve seen “Boo Who” running this line in other blogs noting Rosenberg’s arrest. I’m betting some MPD thug.