Uzi Shooting Update
The police chief who held the machine gun shoot in MA where the 8 year-old boy shot and killed himself has been found not guilty of involuntary manslaughter and three counts of furnishing machine guns to minors.
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January 14th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
All kinds of fail in this one.
Now, on a side note, I could get behind a uzi ban. Any gun as dangerous to the user as the target has no place in my collection/arsenal.
January 14th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
I hate to say “there ought to be a law”….but if we aren’t going to convict the powerful and connected of crimes why bother the citizens with them?
January 14th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
I haven’t seen trial transcript, but Flurey was the organizer. It’s a pretty flimsy theory for prosecuting him anyway. The other two may have more difficulty in their defense.
January 14th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
You’d get behind an Uzi ban because they’re more dangerous to undersized, poorly supervised 8 year olds than they are to targets? Perfect.
Let’s take an otherwise safe and useful firearm out of the hands of those who would use it correctly because one numnuts decides to put it in the hands of his son who is in no way qualified to fire it. It’s the same thing as making 33 round magazines illegal because a probable undiagnosed, unmedicated schizophrenic decides to take out a congresswoman an as many others as he can.
You should run for Congress.
January 14th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
You are absolutely correct 2yellowdogs. Why exactly does there have to be a law against everything??? The problem with this country is that everything is against the law. If you look hard enough you will find that if you obey the law you are breaking some other law…. Oh and remember ignorance is no excuse…
January 14th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
I think everyone involved is punished enough for haing a boy die at one of their events. Was he negligent? Enough to put him away for life?
If we can let career felons go free, this guy shouldnt have been looked at.
January 14th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Paul B: The person supplying the Uzi was a cop.
Did you intend to ban the police from carrying semi-automatic weapons?
If so, given the poor shooting ability of a lot of police, I can subscribe to that notion.
The public should be better armed than the police. If the police need more firepower, they can deputize us into a posse.
January 14th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Kristopher,
If we could do it, I would back such a ban.
As to banning the uzi, more jest than desire.
As to police shootings, every one is not a wyatt earp. When things get cross wise it is very hard to stay cool, calm and collected and hit your target.
January 14th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
This was a “perfect storm” at the most horrendous and stupid extreme. Nothing more. All parties involved have paid a price that they will continue to pay for the rest of their natural lives. I would bet that there won’t be a day that goes by, until the day that they draw their last breath, that the senseless death of that young boy won’t occupy at least some small part of their waking (and perhaps their sleeping) hours. The jury made the right decision. We all need to simply learn from this tragic occurance (those of us who could benefit from the lesson, anyway) and move on. Little or nothing will be achieved by pursuing the matter any further.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:44 am
“Now, on a side note, I could get behind a uzi ban. Any gun as dangerous to the user as the target has no place in my collection/arsenal.”
I hereby officially endorse the banning of power tools, automobiles, and everything else that can be dangerous when in the hands of a child.
For the children!
January 15th, 2011 at 9:51 am
I made the mistake of watching the video of this child death.
Some things you can’t unsee…
January 15th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Sleight of mind. The chief of police made the mistake of operating as a private citizen. I don’t think anyone was ever charged for the oversight that led to this death:
Warning: gruesome, but less gory than I would have thought. Man commits suicide while in police custody. .45 to head on camera. Police failed to search him after he had shot a deputy sheriff who had pulled him over. I first saw this when the instructor showed it in a training that I had a while back. It’s pretty shocking the first time through. He is sooo casual about it.
http://tinyurl.com/4psasv2
January 15th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
PaulB: I have had to defend myself from violent attack in the past more than once. I did not hit anything other than what I was aiming at.
I’m not asking for Wyatt Earp … simply for familiarity past qualifying twice a year, which is the shooting skill of most officers.
As for being unable to ban them … you are damned right you can’t. The SCOTUS has ruled that the second amendment is an individual right, and firearms are 15th century tech that cannot be un-invented no matter how hard you close your eyes and make wishes. We will continue suing local jurisdictions until all US citizens have the right to own the same weapons a cop or a soldier are issued.
Your whining about this warms my heart.
January 16th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
This is the bit that makes me think the prosecutor was justified in going after Fleury. He was knowingly trusting the safety of children to a 15 year old with no training credentials whatsoever.
That said, I’m not going to question the jury verdict here, because I don’t have the information they did. It’s possible that 15 year old had enough experience for his trust to be reasonable (though I doubt it).
January 17th, 2011 at 10:07 am
I think the jest has gone off the rails.
I think the Uzi is a piss poor choice of weapon for anything.
Kris, glad you can stay calm in danger. It speaks well of you.
Keep it sunny side up.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:21 am
FYI this was not an UZI SMG that was fired, which is a generally very easy-to-shoot SMG, but a MICRO-Uzi which is essentially an Uzi that is half the size, half the weight, and 2x the cyclic rate.
Think about that for a second.
The fact that this was in a public shoot, and was handed to a small child, and was being overseen by a 15 year old teen screams of negligence.
This is not a gun issue, but a supervision and competence issue. You wouldn’t hand a small child a .44 Magnum the same way you’d hand one a .22 Pistol…
But that’s exactly what was done in this case.
January 17th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
When I was 8, my dad was teaching me to shoot with my daisy BB gun. Single shot .22 rifle came next, then .410 shotgun, etc.
It is beyond belief how incredibly stupid it was to put a weapon like this in the boy’s hands.
It would be interesting to know how familiar the father was with firearms. If he had no experience he probably was trusting the professionals (chief of police) to safely select an appropriate firearm and teach him and his children how to shoot.
Perhaps this isn’t a crime, but these guys should have to wear a big neon sign around their necks flashing “Stupid, stupid, stupid” for a good long while.