Is open-carrying a rifle into a mall technically even illegal (as opposed to wise) in Virginia?
Not in Roanoke. Open carry of longarms falls under VA Code Sec. 18.2-287.4 – it only bans carrying of rifles (or pistols)* with either a >20 round magazine or certain cosmetic features, and only applies to specified urban areas.
This is local to me, so I’ve been paying attention even if I haven’t really commented on it on my blog. The police I think did the right thing based on what they were told. The security guards were just plain stupid.
We’ve had a couple of similar episodes here in my town recently, where police have gotten calls for someone walking around with a rifle. One near the industrial area of town on Main Street, and the most recent one “in the area of” a school. That last one caused a lockdown and police supervised release of two schools (they’re right next to each other). Virginia does not have a “within 1000 feet of a school” ban, so unless the person crossed on to school property it’s likely that no laws were violated.
* Also shotguns that hold “more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered”
Also, IIRC, that particular mall does have those so-small-as-to-be-almost-invisible “no guns” notices at the entrances, so it’s possible (though not likely) they could make a trespassing charge stick without having to tell someone to leave first.
To the best of my knowledge (IANAL), other than that possibility the signage has no legally binding authority.
Evidence of the idiocracy. I have a nephew who was shocked to find a SWAT team in his yard one night. He and his wife were hanging curtains when a passerby saw them holding up a level and called in a “man with gun” report.
So, Paul Blart, mall cop, couldn’t get off his (or her) fat ass to contact the subject and investigate? Isn’t that the DUTY of a security guard? Also, why does the camera system suck so bad? Come on, there are very nicely priced mega pixel cameras that they could have in there. Why are the still using something that cheap, in Macy’s, of all places? And the cops call for the evacuation and search of the mall after they cnfirm that the alleged gunman has been in there openly for over 40 minutes? If he didn’t do something in those 40 minutes, likely he was not a threat. What a bunch of ultra-maroons!
Back to the same response, 911 should have asked if anyone was being threatened. Mere presence of a gun should prompt nothing more than the mall shoplifting monitor to walk up to the person and ask if he needed any help finding anything and then taking action based on the response. A response of; “yeah, where’s Sports Authority” gets one reaction, a response of, “get away from me m**********r” gets a different one. In this case approaching the shopper gets whoever reported a gun bitch slapped to oblivion when it becomes known they mistook an umbrella for a gun.
Play the race card much? MSNBC deliberately crops a picture of a man carrying an “assault weapon” so we can’t tell he’s black, because they want to call the Tea Party people racists, and now, the gun grabbers are racist: they have a black man with an umbrella suddenly portrayed as wearing gangsta clothes and a ‘do rag and totin’ an EBR. Damn. Just…damn.
As somebody else wrote on another blog, all of American politics are mostly about, and have always been mostly about, race.
I remind y’all of the 3/5s rule in the Constitution, and the Missouri Compromise, and the Compromise of 1850, and the Kansas-Nebraska Act. I do think that one of the reasons that the War Between the States was so Godawfully bloody was that people had been choosing which side they’d take in that fight for fifty years or more.
I mean, they were very very _earnest_ You can read accounts of guys advancing into a storm of Minie balls as if it were a rainstorm. They kept coming, on both sides.
One thing which needs to be mentioned more often than is recently done is the Lincoln-inspired tariff.
It really did impose a godawful hardship on everybody in the south, in favor of Damnedyankee sanctimonious Puritan industrialists. Yankees didn’t want Negroes in the country. Southerners liked Negroes as long as they owned them. Abraham Lenin did not like Negroes and wanted to ship all of them back to Africa
P.s. If Abe had had his way, we wouldn’t have Clarence Thomas and Thomas Sowell. I mean, Justice Thomas looks absolutey 100% Sub-Saharan African. The fact that he perfectly understands the U.S. Constitution, as written and understood at the time at which it was written, is often held against him by loathesome leftards. I say to the leftards: That is not a bug of his, but a feature.
Oh, and his kid attended VMI, which is why he had to recuse himself from the miscarriage of justice which admitted the chicks there.
Oh, and further, I have read that he drives a red Corvette. Is that Kewl&manly, or what?
Leave it to a rent a cop to shut down a mall for 9 hrs for an umbrella. Everybody wants to be a hero and be the first to call 911. The mall is a gun free zone so nobody would dare bring a gun in. At least the cops get to use all there cool stuff: AR-15, kevlar helmets, and attack truck.
March 18th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
At least he wasn’t
arrestedshot, which seems to be the norm now.March 18th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Note the response by security guards:
1) View grainy security footage.
2) Call Police in a panic, 40 minutes later.
And what was NOT the response
1) Locate subject.
2) Verify threat.
3) Actually protect patrons.
March 18th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
absolute f**ktardary
March 18th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
It was one of those evil “Assault Umbrellas”. Think back to the one Sean Connery used in “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade”.
Those things are all kinds of deadly!
March 18th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Is open-carrying a rifle into a mall technically even illegal (as opposed to wise) in Virginia?
March 18th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
To the security guards credit, the shopper was asking for trouble π
March 18th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Well, at least we know where Gecko45 is working these days . . . .
March 18th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Not in Roanoke. Open carry of longarms falls under VA Code Sec. 18.2-287.4 – it only bans carrying of rifles (or pistols)* with either a >20 round magazine or certain cosmetic features, and only applies to specified urban areas.
This is local to me, so I’ve been paying attention even if I haven’t really commented on it on my blog. The police I think did the right thing based on what they were told. The security guards were just plain stupid.
We’ve had a couple of similar episodes here in my town recently, where police have gotten calls for someone walking around with a rifle. One near the industrial area of town on Main Street, and the most recent one “in the area of” a school. That last one caused a lockdown and police supervised release of two schools (they’re right next to each other). Virginia does not have a “within 1000 feet of a school” ban, so unless the person crossed on to school property it’s likely that no laws were violated.
* Also shotguns that hold “more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered”
March 18th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Also, IIRC, that particular mall does have those so-small-as-to-be-almost-invisible “no guns” notices at the entrances, so it’s possible (though not likely) they could make a trespassing charge stick without having to tell someone to leave first.
To the best of my knowledge (IANAL), other than that possibility the signage has no legally binding authority.
March 18th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
It was an assault umbrella. Probably black and had a “thing that goes up”
March 18th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Jake-
It’s also noteworthy that the code banning open carry with >20 round capacity exempts concealed carry holders even when it applies geographically.
Wonder if VCDL/PVC will have anything to say about it…
March 18th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
No mention in the story of whether it was a tactical umbrella.
March 18th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Evidence of the idiocracy. I have a nephew who was shocked to find a SWAT team in his yard one night. He and his wife were hanging curtains when a passerby saw them holding up a level and called in a “man with gun” report.
March 18th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Another example of BS profiling. Carrying an umbrella while black. π
March 19th, 2011 at 10:53 am
So, Paul Blart, mall cop, couldn’t get off his (or her) fat ass to contact the subject and investigate? Isn’t that the DUTY of a security guard? Also, why does the camera system suck so bad? Come on, there are very nicely priced mega pixel cameras that they could have in there. Why are the still using something that cheap, in Macy’s, of all places? And the cops call for the evacuation and search of the mall after they cnfirm that the alleged gunman has been in there openly for over 40 minutes? If he didn’t do something in those 40 minutes, likely he was not a threat. What a bunch of ultra-maroons!
March 19th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
hey, umbrellas can be very dangerous weapons! Just ask the Penguin.
March 19th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
“there’s an African-American male with a yellow jacket that just went into Macy’s with a big assault rifle,”
Would security have called the police had the umbrellaer not been African-American?
Allow me to answer my own question, no.
March 19th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Back to the same response, 911 should have asked if anyone was being threatened. Mere presence of a gun should prompt nothing more than the mall shoplifting monitor to walk up to the person and ask if he needed any help finding anything and then taking action based on the response. A response of; “yeah, where’s Sports Authority” gets one reaction, a response of, “get away from me m**********r” gets a different one. In this case approaching the shopper gets whoever reported a gun bitch slapped to oblivion when it becomes known they mistook an umbrella for a gun.
March 19th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Play the race card much? MSNBC deliberately crops a picture of a man carrying an “assault weapon” so we can’t tell he’s black, because they want to call the Tea Party people racists, and now, the gun grabbers are racist: they have a black man with an umbrella suddenly portrayed as wearing gangsta clothes and a ‘do rag and totin’ an EBR. Damn. Just…damn.
March 20th, 2011 at 4:13 am
As somebody else wrote on another blog, all of American politics are mostly about, and have always been mostly about, race.
I remind y’all of the 3/5s rule in the Constitution, and the Missouri Compromise, and the Compromise of 1850, and the Kansas-Nebraska Act. I do think that one of the reasons that the War Between the States was so Godawfully bloody was that people had been choosing which side they’d take in that fight for fifty years or more.
I mean, they were very very _earnest_ You can read accounts of guys advancing into a storm of Minie balls as if it were a rainstorm. They kept coming, on both sides.
One thing which needs to be mentioned more often than is recently done is the Lincoln-inspired tariff.
It really did impose a godawful hardship on everybody in the south, in favor of Damnedyankee sanctimonious Puritan industrialists. Yankees didn’t want Negroes in the country. Southerners liked Negroes as long as they owned them. Abraham Lenin did not like Negroes and wanted to ship all of them back to Africa
March 20th, 2011 at 4:46 am
P.s. If Abe had had his way, we wouldn’t have Clarence Thomas and Thomas Sowell. I mean, Justice Thomas looks absolutey 100% Sub-Saharan African. The fact that he perfectly understands the U.S. Constitution, as written and understood at the time at which it was written, is often held against him by loathesome leftards. I say to the leftards: That is not a bug of his, but a feature.
Oh, and his kid attended VMI, which is why he had to recuse himself from the miscarriage of justice which admitted the chicks there.
Oh, and further, I have read that he drives a red Corvette. Is that Kewl&manly, or what?
March 20th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
They’re usually a week or two behind the news cycle, except for major events. I’ll be keeping an eye out, and I am on their e-mail list.
March 20th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
“One thing which needs to be mentioned more often than is recently done is the Lincoln-inspired tariff.”
Yeah, but tariffs did not cause the Civil War; race/white supremacy did.
It was like race was a cornerstone of the South, just like the Vice President said.
Or, as Virginia newspapers said, “What are we fighting for? We are fighting for the idea of race.” Richmond Daily Enquirer, November 1864.
It is obvious that race drove the bus in this case.
March 22nd, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Leave it to a rent a cop to shut down a mall for 9 hrs for an umbrella. Everybody wants to be a hero and be the first to call 911. The mall is a gun free zone so nobody would dare bring a gun in. At least the cops get to use all there cool stuff: AR-15, kevlar helmets, and attack truck.