Look at the way the questions are worded. It was a series of questions about “Do you support or oppose doing each of the following…”, of which “Cut Medicare/Medicaid” was one. I doubt anyone would select it as the first step to solve the budget issues we face. Should it be on the table, certainly… but I think it BS to categorize all the TeaParty as not serious due to an obviously flawed poll. JMHO.
It doesn’t matter at this point. The cuts will happen, it’s just a matter of when and do we do it now like adults or when it’s forced on us like children.
No where does it even try to discuss the alterations to those plans that are being proposed. If you are given a stark choice of complete loss of all the money you put in and the entitlement you were promised, you are most likely to be against it. Another reason not to create entitlements in the first place, people actually believe they should get something for what they pay in.
Telephone survey…60% over 45 – they have paid-in for twenty-five years. 35% are Democrats, 28% support the Tea Party. All in all it’s an interesting bunch of numbers – the fudge-packing is in the carefully worded questions.
I have said it before: It is the NIMBY (Not in My Backyard) syndrome. Everyone wants/knows we need power plants, landfills, airports, large supermarkets, and budget cuts, but no one wants it in their backyard.
This 53 year Old Tea Party Sympathizer wants Medicare/Medicaid not only cut, but Exterminated. Repeal the 16th Amendment while you’re at it, and get your Income from what the Founders set up in the Original Constitution. Screw Entitlements! However, I do want my Taxes back that has been Confiscated from my Paycheck over the years towards my so-called Retirement Fund, with Interest, and with the REAL Inflation Rate factored in. I can manage my money much better that ANY Gooberment Bureaucrat, thank you very much.
Yeah, it all comes down to the wording. If you ask about “cutting” in isolation most will say no. How about asking about “privatization”? Or better yet, ask what would you prefer, cutting Medicare or raising taxes? How about if you specify exactly how much higher those taxes would be for people with that respondent’s income? (Say, $3-5k more for somebody making $50k/yr)
If the only question is cuts with no incentives and no upsides, then I’d oppose them too. You’d be stupid not to. Unfortunately this doesn’t reflect the real world.
I’m second to few in having a problem with Uncle’s disdain for the Tea Party, but I have to agree with him here.
The question was about “cutting”, they didn’t say “getting rid of” or something, merely “cutting”. Medicare and Medicaid are the poster boys of gov’t fraud, waste and questionable consitutionality and yet, 70% were against “cutting” them.
Whether alone or with some, “or…” statement, who cares?
I thought the whole purpose of the tea party protests was to get Congress cutting gov’t.
I know that’s why I go to the tea party events.
But I guess 70% want them to cut other people’s goodies.
Which at least some of you tacitly agree with, 60% over 45 – they have paid-in for twenty-five years.
and bubblehead wanting the money back paid into the various ponzi schemes.
I can understand the impulse, but “cutting” is all about teh pain, you can’t force the pain on others if you don’t want some yourself.
That money’s gone. There’s nothing we can do about it.
If people demand back what they paid in, well, that’s all about the “not cutting” but “dramatically increasing” gov’t payouts as that money is gone. They’ll have to borrow more from China (which is kinda funny) to pay it out.
The “lockbox” is full of IOUs from the gov’t to the gov’t.
The money is gone, all we can do is stop it in the future because we can’t keep going deeper and deeper into debt infinitely.
As they say, anything that can’t go on, won’t.
And when the fit hits the shan, well, we’re all gonna be wishing we had “cut” the fat before the collapse.
It’s funny, America is so successful that people have forgotten that the normal status for human life is dirty, poor, brutal and short.
It won’t be voluntary. Social security is the third rail of American politics, but Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and Defense account for more than the government takes in through taxes. You can’t possibly balance the budget without cutting those items, and there is no way that real cuts will be made here.
April 22nd, 2011 at 10:24 am
Look at the way the questions are worded. It was a series of questions about “Do you support or oppose doing each of the following…”, of which “Cut Medicare/Medicaid” was one. I doubt anyone would select it as the first step to solve the budget issues we face. Should it be on the table, certainly… but I think it BS to categorize all the TeaParty as not serious due to an obviously flawed poll. JMHO.
April 22nd, 2011 at 10:26 am
It doesn’t matter at this point. The cuts will happen, it’s just a matter of when and do we do it now like adults or when it’s forced on us like children.
I’m betting on the latter.
April 22nd, 2011 at 10:36 am
I’m going with GD on this one.
No where does it even try to discuss the alterations to those plans that are being proposed. If you are given a stark choice of complete loss of all the money you put in and the entitlement you were promised, you are most likely to be against it. Another reason not to create entitlements in the first place, people actually believe they should get something for what they pay in.
April 22nd, 2011 at 11:25 am
Telephone survey…60% over 45 – they have paid-in for twenty-five years. 35% are Democrats, 28% support the Tea Party. All in all it’s an interesting bunch of numbers – the fudge-packing is in the carefully worded questions.
April 22nd, 2011 at 12:46 pm
I have said it before: It is the NIMBY (Not in My Backyard) syndrome. Everyone wants/knows we need power plants, landfills, airports, large supermarkets, and budget cuts, but no one wants it in their backyard.
Cut the other guy’s budget.
April 22nd, 2011 at 2:23 pm
This 53 year Old Tea Party Sympathizer wants Medicare/Medicaid not only cut, but Exterminated. Repeal the 16th Amendment while you’re at it, and get your Income from what the Founders set up in the Original Constitution. Screw Entitlements! However, I do want my Taxes back that has been Confiscated from my Paycheck over the years towards my so-called Retirement Fund, with Interest, and with the REAL Inflation Rate factored in. I can manage my money much better that ANY Gooberment Bureaucrat, thank you very much.
April 22nd, 2011 at 5:06 pm
Yeah, it all comes down to the wording. If you ask about “cutting” in isolation most will say no. How about asking about “privatization”? Or better yet, ask what would you prefer, cutting Medicare or raising taxes? How about if you specify exactly how much higher those taxes would be for people with that respondent’s income? (Say, $3-5k more for somebody making $50k/yr)
If the only question is cuts with no incentives and no upsides, then I’d oppose them too. You’d be stupid not to. Unfortunately this doesn’t reflect the real world.
April 23rd, 2011 at 2:16 pm
I’m second to few in having a problem with Uncle’s disdain for the Tea Party, but I have to agree with him here.
The question was about “cutting”, they didn’t say “getting rid of” or something, merely “cutting”. Medicare and Medicaid are the poster boys of gov’t fraud, waste and questionable consitutionality and yet, 70% were against “cutting” them.
Whether alone or with some, “or…” statement, who cares?
I thought the whole purpose of the tea party protests was to get Congress cutting gov’t.
I know that’s why I go to the tea party events.
But I guess 70% want them to cut other people’s goodies.
Which at least some of you tacitly agree with, 60% over 45 – they have paid-in for twenty-five years.
and bubblehead wanting the money back paid into the various ponzi schemes.
I can understand the impulse, but “cutting” is all about teh pain, you can’t force the pain on others if you don’t want some yourself.
That money’s gone. There’s nothing we can do about it.
If people demand back what they paid in, well, that’s all about the “not cutting” but “dramatically increasing” gov’t payouts as that money is gone. They’ll have to borrow more from China (which is kinda funny) to pay it out.
The “lockbox” is full of IOUs from the gov’t to the gov’t.
The money is gone, all we can do is stop it in the future because we can’t keep going deeper and deeper into debt infinitely.
As they say, anything that can’t go on, won’t.
And when the fit hits the shan, well, we’re all gonna be wishing we had “cut” the fat before the collapse.
It’s funny, America is so successful that people have forgotten that the normal status for human life is dirty, poor, brutal and short.
I hate relearning lessons.
April 23rd, 2011 at 9:26 pm
And this is why our country is screwed – even the people who say they want to “cut government spending” actually have no interest in doing so.
*shrug* Alan is right – it is going to happen. The only question is whether or not it will be voluntary.
April 24th, 2011 at 7:19 am
It won’t be voluntary. Social security is the third rail of American politics, but Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and Defense account for more than the government takes in through taxes. You can’t possibly balance the budget without cutting those items, and there is no way that real cuts will be made here.
April 24th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Reminds me of the Tea Partier with the “Keep the government out of my Medicare” sign. Tax that man behind the tree!