Pocket Pal 380
A wallet style holster from Concealed Carry Comfort called the Pocket Pal 380:
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Interesting. Though I have to wonder if it would cause your gun to be classified as an AOW.
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May 25th, 2011 at 9:08 am
AOW!
May 25th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Trigger is exposed, thats not a holster.
May 25th, 2011 at 9:19 am
+1 and +1. Likely an AOW, and might as well save your money and drop a naked gun into your pocket, the holster does almost nothing besides break up the pattern of the gun, keep the gun oriented, and get you a higher probability of getting your door kicked and your dog shot.
May 25th, 2011 at 9:44 am
There is tons of stuff about this on the internets…. half of it says 100% conclusively that it is an AOW, while the other half says 100% conclusively that it is not
May 25th, 2011 at 9:49 am
If it doesn’t cover the trigger, well, then it’s not a holster.
May 25th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Not LIKELY an AOW. It *IS* an AOW. Wallet ‘holsters’ like that are AOWs by ATF definition and description. They even provide examples.
May 25th, 2011 at 9:51 am
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/identification-of-nfa-firearms.html#wallet-holster
It is AOW with a firearm in it. It is NOT AOW with no firearm in it. Straight from the horse’s ass.
May 25th, 2011 at 10:13 am
AOW or not, it ain’t much of a holster if it don’t cover the trigger. Really, the only advantage I see from using it at all is that it keeps the gun upright in your pocket. Then it manages to ruin purchase of the gun should you actually need to use it.
Looks like a solution in need of problem to me.
tweaker
May 25th, 2011 at 10:32 am
That’s about like the ATF’s opinion. They’ll say it’s not an AOW right up until they break down your door and shoot your dog because you’re in possession of an unregistered AOW.
May 25th, 2011 at 10:36 am
They say that the law is an ass and a fool, but they don’t mention that the law is also eager to prove it.
An improvised AOW holster can be made out of cardboard by a would-be criminal in a few minutes, but let a CCW holder buy a nice, handmade leather one for his licensed gun and he’s an instant criminal.
Sometimes I think our government is about conferring an advantage to the bad guys, because sometimes it is.
May 25th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Most likely NOT an currently an AOW. The slide is uncovered and therefore the holster does not break up the outline of a handgun. At least that’s been the interpretation coming out lately. YMMV
May 25th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
AOW or not, it’s stupid to carry a pistol in your pocket with the trigger exposed. A bullet in the junk is more likely to catch you than Johnny Law.
May 25th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
I got a copy of the ATF letter with my that classified it as NOT AOW becuz the slide is not covered. It works pretty good.
May 25th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
I’ve said it before: “Exposed trigger… what could go wrong?”
You want fast, then improve your awareness and train.
May 25th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
I am perfectly comfortable with a revolver in my coat or pants pockets (or both) with no holster.
I wouldn’t want to carry a semi-auto with an exposed trigger.
Having a vasectomy about 10 years ago is about as close to those quarters that I want to go with a dangerous weapon (I don’t regard a revolver with a 12 lb. trigger pull to be a threat).
May 25th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Chas said: An improvised AOW holster can be made out of cardboard by a would-be criminal in a few minutes, but let a CCW holder buy a nice, handmade leather one for his licensed gun and he’s an instant criminal.
It’s almost like they’re illegal (in conjunction with the gun, that is), whether or not they’re cheap and improvised or expensive and professionally made, and have nothing to do with a state CCW license.
The law may be (and in the case of the NFA and ATF, definitely is) an ass, but this isn’t really a case of it being eager to prove it.
How this would confer an advantage on bad guys is beyond me, since there are arguably superior (and definitely not-inferior) solutions that aren’t AOWs – and frankly the cardboard version seems like an impediment to the criminal.
May 25th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
chris Says: (I don’t regard a revolver with a 12 lb. trigger pull to be a threat).
A 12 lb. trigger!?! I wouldn’t be a threat with that. Except to people who are NOT standing where I am aiming. How do you fire a gun with a trigger that heavy at the range? How fast does your trigger finger wear out?
May 25th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Interesting that there is supposedly an ATF letter stating not an AOW. Yet another example of the clown show that is the ATF.
May 26th, 2011 at 8:13 am
“If it doesn’t cover the trigger, well, then it’s not a holster.”
REALLY?!? So that box FULL of pre-1990s holsters in my closet, made before IDPA started mandating that holsters MUST cover the triggers AREN’T REALLY HOLSTERS?!? Coulda fooled me. They may not be SAFE holsters per the current mindset, but they are DEFINITELY holsters. They hold the firearm on my belt in a secure manner, some even with thumb-break straps. I haven’t seen a regulation YET, Not even from the BATFU clowns that comes close to THAT definition.
May 26th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Covering the trigger has very little to do with a holster being a holster or not. I reference the 1920’s style Tom Threeperson holster, sold for the last 90 years or so, as an example.
http://www.epsaddlery.com/pc-65-26-1920-tom-threepersons-2-to-7-12-barrels.aspx
May 27th, 2011 at 2:58 am
IIRC, some states rule that if it can be fired without first removing the gun from the container (wallet holster, briefcase, etc,) NOT legal except for LEO’s.