If this guy was an economist, he would work for the Congressional Budget Office, since he seems to have already learned how to cook the data, thereby cooking the books.
Of course you can’t take a Kel-Tec ANYTHING right out of it’s box and shoot it! The company is in-famous for spending ZERO dollars to clean their guns before shipping them. I have bought 3 new-in-box KelTecs, and every single one of them (2 Sub 2Ks and a P3AT) was not only filthy-dirty, there was metal machining detritus in all of them. If shot straight out of the box, ANY of my Kel-Tecs would have a jammed firing pin channel in short order.
Kel-Tec builds OK guns for less money, but it’s an easy job for someone to sit back and lurk on the KelTec gun board for months, note all the hundreds of posts about a new gun (the PF-9), and rig up a “test” which will show it in a bad light.
Gun Nuts Media ought to be ashamed of this farce, but it’s instructive. If this is the sort of “service” Gun Nuts Media is going to offer the gunners of the wide world, we can all go look somewhere else for honest info on guns.
BTW, that honest info IS available for the PF-9, just join KTOG (KelTec owner’s group) over at yahoo groups. There has been plenty of info passed on the shortcomings of the PF-9 over there. I know, because I am a member of that board and read it every day.
That’s actually sort of damning evidence in and of itself. If I wanted to cook the data in favor of Kel-Tec, I could easily do that. But the bottom line is that I’m actually running an impartial test. These are the exact same standards that I subject any gun that I’m counting on to protect my life or win me a trophy to. If I can’t buy a gun and reasonably expect it to work for only 4 boxes of ammo, I’d say that’s a problem.
The computer will be connected to the internet for 200 hours directly out of the factory packaging. All security compromises of any type will be logged. Errors caused by defective third-party software will not be counted against the OS.
After running for 200 hours, the we will set a password on the administrator account, apply security updates, and install firewalls and anti-virus software in accordance with the manual.
I read the Kel-Tec PF9 manual back to front before I decided on the rules of the test – nowhere in Kel-Tec’s official documentation does it say that the pistol should be disassembled and cleaned prior to firing out of the factory box. As such, Kel-Tec is presenting the pistol “as is” and ready to fire. If the manual said “prior to first use, clean and lubricate the pistol” I would have done that.
However, in the past 12 months I’ve had multiple guns run out of the box using the factory grease. For only 4 boxes of ammo, it’s not a lot to ask.
June 3rd, 2011 at 9:52 am
Yeah… he’s gonna wreck that thing within 2 hours.
Mine started jamming almost regularly after… 75 rounds, I think?
June 3rd, 2011 at 11:09 am
I have the reliable KelTec 9mm, the P-11.
If this guy was an economist, he would work for the Congressional Budget Office, since he seems to have already learned how to cook the data, thereby cooking the books.
Of course you can’t take a Kel-Tec ANYTHING right out of it’s box and shoot it! The company is in-famous for spending ZERO dollars to clean their guns before shipping them. I have bought 3 new-in-box KelTecs, and every single one of them (2 Sub 2Ks and a P3AT) was not only filthy-dirty, there was metal machining detritus in all of them. If shot straight out of the box, ANY of my Kel-Tecs would have a jammed firing pin channel in short order.
Kel-Tec builds OK guns for less money, but it’s an easy job for someone to sit back and lurk on the KelTec gun board for months, note all the hundreds of posts about a new gun (the PF-9), and rig up a “test” which will show it in a bad light.
Gun Nuts Media ought to be ashamed of this farce, but it’s instructive. If this is the sort of “service” Gun Nuts Media is going to offer the gunners of the wide world, we can all go look somewhere else for honest info on guns.
BTW, that honest info IS available for the PF-9, just join KTOG (KelTec owner’s group) over at yahoo groups. There has been plenty of info passed on the shortcomings of the PF-9 over there. I know, because I am a member of that board and read it every day.
June 3rd, 2011 at 12:27 pm
That’s actually sort of damning evidence in and of itself. If I wanted to cook the data in favor of Kel-Tec, I could easily do that. But the bottom line is that I’m actually running an impartial test. These are the exact same standards that I subject any gun that I’m counting on to protect my life or win me a trophy to. If I can’t buy a gun and reasonably expect it to work for only 4 boxes of ammo, I’d say that’s a problem.
June 3rd, 2011 at 2:11 pm
This will be interesting to find out. Let’s wait and see the results.
June 3rd, 2011 at 11:09 pm
The MicroSoft Windows Challenge
The computer will be connected to the internet for 200 hours directly out of the factory packaging. All security compromises of any type will be logged. Errors caused by defective third-party software will not be counted against the OS.
After running for 200 hours, the we will set a password on the administrator account, apply security updates, and install firewalls and anti-virus software in accordance with the manual.
June 5th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
I read the Kel-Tec PF9 manual back to front before I decided on the rules of the test – nowhere in Kel-Tec’s official documentation does it say that the pistol should be disassembled and cleaned prior to firing out of the factory box. As such, Kel-Tec is presenting the pistol “as is” and ready to fire. If the manual said “prior to first use, clean and lubricate the pistol” I would have done that.
However, in the past 12 months I’ve had multiple guns run out of the box using the factory grease. For only 4 boxes of ammo, it’s not a lot to ask.