Also good for those Citizens stuck in States and Cities that don’t like Semi-Auto Rifles or Hi-Cap pistols. So for those poor Bastards stuck with carrying Wheelguns Only, they have another option for their standard ammo supply besides feeding a Lever Gun. Plus, you know there’s an after market company that’ll be making High Cap mags for it soon. And if it’ll feed .38 Special, one might be able to put on a Suppressor and have a Quiet Gun, just in case a .22LR isn’t enough for taking out Zombies well enough, or other Future Dangers.
“The lost art of cut shells” is a good way to blow up a shotgun, or at least damage it to uselessness. The pressure curve upon detonation is more than most shotguns are designed to take routinely, and will at least match proof loads.
If you want a slug, buy a slug. Is 50-75 cents saved worth the cost of your shotgun or face or life? If you need to kill something with a solid mass, and have only birdshot, find your gonads and get within 20 feet before you fire. That birdshot is solid out to that distance.
Tam and BH Les, you’re a little too fast on the draw. Look at this chart, down in Sec. 5 where it shows Buffalo Bore’s hot .357 ammo out of a rifle barrel.
Note that 158-gr load @ 2153 ft/sec. That is 1,626 #/ft of energy.
The 30-30 WIN, in a 150-gr JSP, has 2390 fps and 1903 #/ft, not that much different.
The ballistics don’t lie, people. The .357 Magnum, in the right loading, is perfectly adequate in a “brush gun” for medium game. BTW, it is the most popular caliber for hunting wild hogs down South, isn’t it?
@Rivrdog
A mechanical engineer in Canada that posts on a forum I frequent tried out some shell cutting, his results on pressure were that it was unacceptably high, but he came up with a different way of doing it.
He opens up the shell removes the shot cup and tapes it over with 3 layers of standard packing tape, he then places the shot cup back into the shell and it acts like a cut shell without the overpressure problems.
Scaling up the 10/22 to .357 might run into pressure-related problems with the blowback action. But you’re basically talking about Ruger’s old .44mag Deerfield carbine. Wasn’t the Deerfield some sort of locking system rather than simple blowback? Don’t know much about ’em myself.
I expect that .357 to get a lot of attention from the NFA community. A .357 lever action with .38s and a muzzle can is pretty quiet – an integral bolt action would be the cat’s ass. The 77/44 is awesome, I love mine, but it’s more expensive to feed than a .357/.38.
Much like the single ten that just came out from Ruger, I might end up buying one, even though I have no real need. Now to figure out how to purchase it with my better half’s approval….
>He opens up the shell removes the shot cup and tapes it over with 3 layers of standard packing tape, he then places the shot cup back into the shell and it acts like a cut shell without the overpressure problems.
Except of course for the fact that it takes more stuff than just a pocket knife and more time than can be afforded when you see a deer and all you have are some birdshot.
…not saying that it’s not dangerous, but there’s been a distinct lack of blown up shotgun photos on the tubes of web to believe that you’ll not get away with this trick, at least most of the time.
i of course recommend spending ~$200 for a shotshell press and a slug mould. Then you can open up those target loads, pour out the shot, and re-seal the slug with the proper crimp. Save $1.75 per shell minus your own labor!
June 23rd, 2011 at 9:33 am
That Ruger is perfect for deer hunting in states that don’t allow rifle calibers (like Indiana.)
I’d rather have a bolt gun with good optics than a revolver or cowboy gun… They’ll sell a bunch of ’em here.
June 23rd, 2011 at 9:57 am
The .357 rifle would be useful in a state that doesn’t allow centerfire rifle ammunition to be used for hunting.
June 23rd, 2011 at 9:58 am
Well, Tam beat me to it……
June 23rd, 2011 at 10:47 am
Also good for those Citizens stuck in States and Cities that don’t like Semi-Auto Rifles or Hi-Cap pistols. So for those poor Bastards stuck with carrying Wheelguns Only, they have another option for their standard ammo supply besides feeding a Lever Gun. Plus, you know there’s an after market company that’ll be making High Cap mags for it soon. And if it’ll feed .38 Special, one might be able to put on a Suppressor and have a Quiet Gun, just in case a .22LR isn’t enough for taking out Zombies well enough, or other Future Dangers.
June 23rd, 2011 at 10:55 am
“The lost art of cut shells” is a good way to blow up a shotgun, or at least damage it to uselessness. The pressure curve upon detonation is more than most shotguns are designed to take routinely, and will at least match proof loads.
If you want a slug, buy a slug. Is 50-75 cents saved worth the cost of your shotgun or face or life? If you need to kill something with a solid mass, and have only birdshot, find your gonads and get within 20 feet before you fire. That birdshot is solid out to that distance.
June 23rd, 2011 at 11:07 am
Tam and BH Les, you’re a little too fast on the draw. Look at this chart, down in Sec. 5 where it shows Buffalo Bore’s hot .357 ammo out of a rifle barrel.
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=100
Note that 158-gr load @ 2153 ft/sec. That is 1,626 #/ft of energy.
The 30-30 WIN, in a 150-gr JSP, has 2390 fps and 1903 #/ft, not that much different.
The ballistics don’t lie, people. The .357 Magnum, in the right loading, is perfectly adequate in a “brush gun” for medium game. BTW, it is the most popular caliber for hunting wild hogs down South, isn’t it?
June 23rd, 2011 at 11:50 am
Why didn’t they just scale up a 10/22 into a 10/357?
June 23rd, 2011 at 12:58 pm
@Rivrdog
A mechanical engineer in Canada that posts on a forum I frequent tried out some shell cutting, his results on pressure were that it was unacceptably high, but he came up with a different way of doing it.
He opens up the shell removes the shot cup and tapes it over with 3 layers of standard packing tape, he then places the shot cup back into the shell and it acts like a cut shell without the overpressure problems.
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Scaling up the 10/22 to .357 might run into pressure-related problems with the blowback action. But you’re basically talking about Ruger’s old .44mag Deerfield carbine. Wasn’t the Deerfield some sort of locking system rather than simple blowback? Don’t know much about ’em myself.
June 23rd, 2011 at 4:23 pm
I expect that .357 to get a lot of attention from the NFA community. A .357 lever action with .38s and a muzzle can is pretty quiet – an integral bolt action would be the cat’s ass. The 77/44 is awesome, I love mine, but it’s more expensive to feed than a .357/.38.
June 23rd, 2011 at 4:44 pm
Much like the single ten that just came out from Ruger, I might end up buying one, even though I have no real need. Now to figure out how to purchase it with my better half’s approval….
June 23rd, 2011 at 11:50 pm
>He opens up the shell removes the shot cup and tapes it over with 3 layers of standard packing tape, he then places the shot cup back into the shell and it acts like a cut shell without the overpressure problems.
Except of course for the fact that it takes more stuff than just a pocket knife and more time than can be afforded when you see a deer and all you have are some birdshot.
…not saying that it’s not dangerous, but there’s been a distinct lack of blown up shotgun photos on the tubes of web to believe that you’ll not get away with this trick, at least most of the time.
June 23rd, 2011 at 11:53 pm
i of course recommend spending ~$200 for a shotshell press and a slug mould. Then you can open up those target loads, pour out the shot, and re-seal the slug with the proper crimp. Save $1.75 per shell minus your own labor!