Both chambers of the Wisconsin legislature voted to approve one of the nation’s strongest Right-to-Carry bills by solid bipartisan margins. Today’s signing of the Wisconsin Personal Protection Act into law leaves Illinois as the only state that provides no way for its citizens to carry firearms for self-protection outside their homes or places of business.
And then there is California, a discretionary carry state where if you’re in a blue county (populated and staffed by Reds, btw) you can forget about getting a CCW unless you are cop, retired cop, rich or famous.
There are plenty of states where there are unreasonable requirements. These “may issue” states are the same the jim crow south, but then again, that where gun control came from anyhow.
“No carry” to “carry” is a different issue than “only theoretical carry” to “actual carry”.
Once the dominos of “absolutely no carry” have fallen, particularly if they jump straight to “shall-issue”, then the powers that be in NJ, HI et al can no longer point to themselves as better by saying “well, it’s legal (if impossible) here.”
Now we can use WI and soon IL as a hammer. After all, if you have to allow carry, and per Ezell (and almost certainly the upcoming MD writ to the Supremes) it can’t be “in name only”, what hope long-term do the restrictive may-issue states have?
Gun Control in the south came from Jim Crow. In the north, it came from people wanted to keep the Italians from being armed. All racist, but not all targeting blacks.
I cheer the winnings!!
Jim Crow in the south, Eye-talians in the east – and don’t you dare let the Irish or Chinese get their mitts on guns! Or Mesixicanzsz!
The whole issue of gun control is: ONLY YOUR ENEMY WANTS YOU DISARMED
“Fast and Furious” was part of an agenda to use guns going to Mexico and drug cartels, i.e., giving aid and comofort to enemies” (Article III, Section 3, U.S. Constitution) as a pretext to further restrict or deny the RKBA for Americans. It’s nothing but treacherous “treason” for which ALL involved should be prosecuted.
Forward Progress, but I’m hoping for Must Issue, Full Open Carry EVERYWHERE, and Full Faith and Credit for ALL 50 States and U.S. Territories. Someday…
MN will screw it up. MN doesn’t recognize state carry permits with less strict training requirements than theirs so if you want to carry in both MN and WI you are going to need a permit from both states. On the plus side a MN carry permit will work as proof of training for the WI permit as will a DD214 or hunting safety certificate.
I really dislike the slogans that imply that there is carry (concealed or open) in X number of states where X includes NJ or Maryland. After living for 20 years in NJ I moved to IL and it seemed like I had moved to a gun lovers heaven. I could admit to owning guns (since the permission card is “shall issue”). I could buy ammo and go to range and shoot.
So, until there is constitutional purchase and ownership and some form of carry that is must issue in all 50 states and territories, there is not just one state that must learn to live under the Constitution of 1789 as currently amended.
What does the DD14 entail/decribe about your service? This law does require that you served in a branch or had an MOS that required some firearms training. A galley cook on a carrier, for instance, probably wouldn’t be eligible for the exemption.
Oh, and some of us here in WI have been carrying openly for some time now; it was not strictly “no carry,” it was just “really, really inconvenient unless you like the taste of concrete carry.” Luckily this bill built in protections for open carriers also.
M Gallo I think the assumption is that if you have been through basic training you know which way to point the muzzle and Fl also accepts a DD214 as proof of training. Personally I would have preferred Constitutional Carry as SB93 started out but such is life and it just means we need to primary those who opposed it and the stated Wisconsin Republican Party platform in 2012.
July 8th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Both chambers of the Wisconsin legislature voted to approve one of the nation’s strongest Right-to-Carry bills by solid bipartisan margins. Today’s signing of the Wisconsin Personal Protection Act into law leaves Illinois as the only state that provides no way for its citizens to carry firearms for self-protection outside their homes or places of business.
Oh Really… Try to get a CCW in New Jersey
July 8th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
And then there is California, a discretionary carry state where if you’re in a blue county (populated and staffed by Reds, btw) you can forget about getting a CCW unless you are cop, retired cop, rich or famous.
July 8th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
There are plenty of states where there are unreasonable requirements. These “may issue” states are the same the jim crow south, but then again, that where gun control came from anyhow.
July 8th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
“No carry” to “carry” is a different issue than “only theoretical carry” to “actual carry”.
Once the dominos of “absolutely no carry” have fallen, particularly if they jump straight to “shall-issue”, then the powers that be in NJ, HI et al can no longer point to themselves as better by saying “well, it’s legal (if impossible) here.”
Now we can use WI and soon IL as a hammer. After all, if you have to allow carry, and per Ezell (and almost certainly the upcoming MD writ to the Supremes) it can’t be “in name only”, what hope long-term do the restrictive may-issue states have?
Take five minutes to cheer, we’re winning.
July 8th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Whoo hooo!
July 8th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
@Bryan
Gun Control in the south came from Jim Crow. In the north, it came from people wanted to keep the Italians from being armed. All racist, but not all targeting blacks.
July 8th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
I cheer the winnings!!
Jim Crow in the south, Eye-talians in the east – and don’t you dare let the Irish or Chinese get their mitts on guns! Or Mesixicanzsz!
July 9th, 2011 at 9:51 am
The whole issue of gun control is: ONLY YOUR ENEMY WANTS YOU DISARMED
“Fast and Furious” was part of an agenda to use guns going to Mexico and drug cartels, i.e., giving aid and comofort to enemies” (Article III, Section 3, U.S. Constitution) as a pretext to further restrict or deny the RKBA for Americans. It’s nothing but treacherous “treason” for which ALL involved should be prosecuted.
July 9th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Forward Progress, but I’m hoping for Must Issue, Full Open Carry EVERYWHERE, and Full Faith and Credit for ALL 50 States and U.S. Territories. Someday…
July 9th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Now we hope for reasonable reciprocity. I’m sure MN will screw this up.
July 9th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
MN will screw it up. MN doesn’t recognize state carry permits with less strict training requirements than theirs so if you want to carry in both MN and WI you are going to need a permit from both states. On the plus side a MN carry permit will work as proof of training for the WI permit as will a DD214 or hunting safety certificate.
July 9th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
I really dislike the slogans that imply that there is carry (concealed or open) in X number of states where X includes NJ or Maryland. After living for 20 years in NJ I moved to IL and it seemed like I had moved to a gun lovers heaven. I could admit to owning guns (since the permission card is “shall issue”). I could buy ammo and go to range and shoot.
So, until there is constitutional purchase and ownership and some form of carry that is must issue in all 50 states and territories, there is not just one state that must learn to live under the Constitution of 1789 as currently amended.
July 10th, 2011 at 6:12 am
What does the DD14 entail/decribe about your service? This law does require that you served in a branch or had an MOS that required some firearms training. A galley cook on a carrier, for instance, probably wouldn’t be eligible for the exemption.
Oh, and some of us here in WI have been carrying openly for some time now; it was not strictly “no carry,” it was just “really, really inconvenient unless you like the taste of concrete carry.” Luckily this bill built in protections for open carriers also.
July 10th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
M Gallo I think the assumption is that if you have been through basic training you know which way to point the muzzle and Fl also accepts a DD214 as proof of training. Personally I would have preferred Constitutional Carry as SB93 started out but such is life and it just means we need to primary those who opposed it and the stated Wisconsin Republican Party platform in 2012.
July 12th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
My understanding is that not all branches have a “basic training” like the Corp or Army, though.