The oldest among the group that was attacked was 17 (older people were nearby, but not within range to help), if I read the article correctly. Would they have been allowed to carry?
I’m no expert on AK gun laws, but I think as long as they were over 16 it wouldn’t have been a big deal to have a gun even without a parent around. I just checked on the NRA ILA site, http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/AKSL.pdf
Like I said, I can understand how they may not have wanted the kids to have a gun (though I may not agree with it), but for the instructors to be unarmed when they were responsible for the safety of the students in the Alaskan wilderness is simply inexcusable, and could possibly be considered negligence.
1. Yes they could have been armed according to AK state law
2. None of the teens were AK residents, so much less likely to actually have firearms training (heck, one was from CT)
3. Given the speed of the attack, where they weren’t even able to draw the bear mace, I doubt the gun would have helped
4. There were no adults with the group, it was their first solo expedition
Sorry but I don’t think GLOCK makes anything in a caliber I would consider for brown bears.
Something at least as big as .44 Magunum. Otherwise, your just going to piss them off.
I can’t find the story right now, but a few years back, an Alaska man reverted to his .44 after his rifle jammed. He shot the bear several times – while it had his head in its jaws. He didn’t kill it – not outright, but he did convince it to go away.
I love Glocks and carry one often. But not in bear country (at least not for protection against bears, moose & etc.). In a handgun I’d require .44 mag. at a minimum. A long arm would be better, but for convenience I’m coveting a Ruger Alaskan… thanks for reminding me!
Bear spray is essentially pepper spray, only with less active ingredient. The material safety data sheets (MSDS) are available from the manufacturer (and usually online). Not hard to do a direct comparison of ingredients. No reason to carry bear spray if you can legally possess pepper spray.
July 25th, 2011 at 9:46 am
The oldest among the group that was attacked was 17 (older people were nearby, but not within range to help), if I read the article correctly. Would they have been allowed to carry?
July 25th, 2011 at 10:22 am
I’m no expert on AK gun laws, but I think as long as they were over 16 it wouldn’t have been a big deal to have a gun even without a parent around. I just checked on the NRA ILA site, http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/AKSL.pdf
July 25th, 2011 at 11:02 am
Big Brownies? in Alaska? I’d START with “12 Gauge Slug” Brand Bear Spray, myself.
July 25th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Like I said, I can understand how they may not have wanted the kids to have a gun (though I may not agree with it), but for the instructors to be unarmed when they were responsible for the safety of the students in the Alaskan wilderness is simply inexcusable, and could possibly be considered negligence.
July 25th, 2011 at 11:34 am
1. Yes they could have been armed according to AK state law
2. None of the teens were AK residents, so much less likely to actually have firearms training (heck, one was from CT)
3. Given the speed of the attack, where they weren’t even able to draw the bear mace, I doubt the gun would have helped
4. There were no adults with the group, it was their first solo expedition
July 25th, 2011 at 11:41 am
What did the bear say after the cayenne pepper was sprayed? “Mmmmm, I like dinner when it’s spicy.”
Dann in Ohio
July 25th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Sorry but I don’t think GLOCK makes anything in a caliber I would consider for brown bears.
Something at least as big as .44 Magunum. Otherwise, your just going to piss them off.
I can’t find the story right now, but a few years back, an Alaska man reverted to his .44 after his rifle jammed. He shot the bear several times – while it had his head in its jaws. He didn’t kill it – not outright, but he did convince it to go away.
Does GLOCK make anythign in .50 caliber?
July 25th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
On the other hand, guy killed a bear not long ago with a .45acp; shot placement and penetration.
I’m afraid bear spray is like pepper spray on humans: it only stops those willing to be stopped, others it just pisses off.
July 25th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
I love Glocks and carry one often. But not in bear country (at least not for protection against bears, moose & etc.). In a handgun I’d require .44 mag. at a minimum. A long arm would be better, but for convenience I’m coveting a Ruger Alaskan… thanks for reminding me!
http://www.ruger.com/products/superRedhawkAlaskan/models.html
July 26th, 2011 at 6:39 am
Bear spray is essentially pepper spray, only with less active ingredient. The material safety data sheets (MSDS) are available from the manufacturer (and usually online). Not hard to do a direct comparison of ingredients. No reason to carry bear spray if you can legally possess pepper spray.
July 26th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Huh? I don’t know what spray you’re carrying, but my bear spray has significantly more active ingredient than my people spray.