Remington 870 Shotgun Versus M4 Carbine
Here. Interesting though I tend not to think of the two as comparable.
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September 22nd, 2011 at 10:48 am
A lot of people use them for the same home defense role. Unfortunately this is a police patrol weapon comparison that doesn’t really work for that.
September 22nd, 2011 at 11:35 am
I’ll agree with the overall results, but I don’t have the Remington 870 tactical for anything near the long range shots they used. I have it because the intruder on the other side of the house will know exactly what I’m carrying when I chamber a round. I probably will never see them and that alone makes the 870 preferable.
September 22nd, 2011 at 12:23 pm
The Remington 870 went on sale in 1950.
The AR-10 went on sale in 1956, and the AR-15 in 1959.
So the Remington 870, 61 years young, is an old firearm, while the AR rifles, at 55 years old, are a new firearm?
Excuse me, but I don’t see any difference in age as a distinguishing feature for either of these firearms being more old-fashioned or more modern, in terms of utility. Both were developed in the middle of the last century, after the last world-wide military conflict of that century. Both make projectiles reliably.
The police can use either one, or a lever action or an AK variant or a Ruger, Sig, HK, or other semiauto, or a bolt action or a billy club. Just as long as they know how to use them, when to use them, and when NOT to use them.
September 22nd, 2011 at 3:36 pm
“while the AR rifles, at 55 years old, are a new firearm?”
Except that the M4 wasn’t fully developed until the late 80s into the early 90s. Evolutionary development though it was. Most of these ARs are m4gories.
One thing that didn’t enter into the discussion and might have is cost. A decent M4gery is going to run you at least $650-700 and the sky is the limit. A decent 12 gauge pump is going to run you more like $250-350 and there really is a limit to what you should bother doing to it.
September 22nd, 2011 at 3:48 pm
I don’t get the m4gery thing. Ford invented the mass-produced automobile. If you aren’t driving one, are you driving a Ford-gery?
Colt Fanboys I guess. I have a Colt M-16 and have shot M-16’s from other makers. They worked and shot just the same, only the Colt was boatloads more expensive.
September 22nd, 2011 at 6:54 pm
I’m an AR guy from way back, but I have a Win SX3 with a mag extender. That’s 11+1, and you can fire it about as fast as an M2, except it’s 9 pellets per shot, or 108 pellets in about 1.5 seconds. Nothing else handheld can deliver a wall of lead like that, even an AR. If I didn’t think maybe I’d have to reload, there would be no competition.
September 23rd, 2011 at 10:23 am
I run a Defensive Long Gun class in which students can shoot a shotgun, a rifle or a pistol caliber carbine. The drills are based on the situations in which a long gun would be used by an armed citizen. When we get to the drill where you have 1/2 an IDPA target at 7 and 15 yards to hit, obscured by a no-shoot, the shotgun shooters often have trouble because keeping “Grandma” free of holes requires the shooter to know exactly where to aim and how big their pattern is at a specific range. Shotgun fanboys always assume a wide open target at 5 yards. When I do home security assessments for students we find that the max distance from the safe room or most likely position of cover to possible threat can be 10-15 yards or more, down the hallway, into the living room, and so on.