ATF and Medical Marijuana
Get a prescription and lose your second amendment rights.
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December 19th, 2011 at 11:15 am
I am not a fan of almost all legislation these days and know that “common sense legislation” is putting lipstick on a pig.
But medical marijuana is a canard to legalize pot. It has nothing to do with medical necessity or compassion. And before any races to the top of the pity high-ground, I have lost 3 family members to different forms of cancer so shut the hell up about watching your loved ones die.
To be effective, THC has to be constantly used. It cannot be used like a pill that you take before bedtime. That means that users have to be stoned non-stop. Grandma can’t watch the kids. Grandpa can’t drive to the store. No operating machinery. A person using THC correctly is impaired. Period. Dot. The end. It is one of the least effective pain-killers ever researched. The only reason for harping its medical benefits that would be logical is cost. But that ignores the fact the THC is an ineffective drug when compared to any other medicine readily available.
Now, if we won’t to invoke a temporary suspension of CCW permits for those on a presciption, then fine. But I have no problem as a loyal fan of individual gun access and the ban of persons with prescriptions to medical marijuan being disarmed.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:18 am
Marijuana used to combat nausea and increase appetite is well documented. All other uses are canards.
And in places where THC truly is used as a medicine, it is delivered AS A MEDICINE, in liquid form, by a doctor.
Not handed over in plastic baggies.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:27 am
First THC is not used as a pain killer, it’s used to treat nausea and lack of appetite. Secondly there are at least 13 active chemical components in inhaled marijuana. Marinol, (RX THC), has only one – THC.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Interesting how it’s 100% illegal to sell any other naturally growing plant as a “Medicine” except for this shit.
This is highly unethical as its presented. Now if you want to get high, or think happy-weed makes you feel better, legalize this shit.
Otherwise we should not be prescribing a toxic carcinogen with unknown active ingredient levels per unit as “Medicine”
Just quit the bullshit and legalize this shit for the real reason…getting high.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
So, if marijuana use with a prescription makes you a prohibited person on the grounds that you are stoned, does that mean that if you get a prescription for a narcotic like Vicodin or Valium or Xanax that you should be prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm?
This is where the right wing and I part ways: the very people who rail against marijuana seem to have no problem with alcohol, nicotine, or even Vicodin. Hypocrites.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
To lose the right to keep and bear arms can be tantamount losing the right to live.
If they could, the anti’s would take that right away for as little as getting a parking ticket.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
If I’m ever in the unfortunate situation where I could use marijuana to alleviate extreme nausea, I’d buy it off the street. I’d rather take my chances than bother jumping through the ridiculous hoops and being put on the inevitable “lists”?
December 19th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Cargosquid,
There are readily available nausea and appetite stimulants. There is no medical niche for marijuana. People just want to get high. And when they are high, I don’t want them handling weapons.
Make marijuana legal if you want. But don’t sell me this BS that it is medicine.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Sid’s mostly right about the canard, as a movement; they’re not fooling anyone.
(I disagree, however, that to have anti-nausea and appetite stimulant effects, one has to be “constantly high” – or indeed very high at all.
That there are other options for those purposes doesn’t actually matter; there are many options available for a wide number of medical properties, and that doesn’t mean that one can just discount the options one disapproves of with some hand-waving.)
I also see no Constitutional grounds for that to disqualify one from gun ownership, more relevantly.
It’s not like smoking a doobie (or a dozen of them) makes you So Dangerous To Others that you cannot be allowed to purchase a firearm, from a rational basis perspective … certainly so given that there’s no question on the 4473 about “do you get so drunk you black out?”.
Less laws, less interference.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
Oopsie, poor broken italic tag.
(And I’m stone sober!)
December 19th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
Biggest (and most ignored thing) about medical ganja: smoked/inhaled MJ is totally uncontrolled as to the dosage of the active ingredients the patient gets. No other medication which requires a prescription is allowed to be used without controlled dosage. THAT’S what makes medical MJ a joke, canard, whatever you want to call it.
All that said, I’m still bothered by the idea of ANY R/X being the reason for denying Civil Rights. Unless an R/X is so dangerous as to require direct medical supervision during administration, and medical MJ isn’t (there’s no prohibition on driving when you get an R/X, for example), no R/X should EVER be used to deny any civil Right, including armed self-defense.
The SAF needs to get this one into Federal court, pronto.
BTW, when Winters vs. Willis gets to the higher court, said Court will probably take judicial notice of the fact that under the Oregon system, thousands of Medical Marijuana Cards were issued without the cardholder ever having to actually be seen by a doctor. The one doctor who signed 4,000+ of those cards was never prosecuted, but did have his medical license revoked, but strangely, none of the issued cards were ever recalled for subsequent medical re-examination. The Oregon Medical pot system is totally corrupt and belongs totally to the potheads, so the High Court may actually take notice of this, and order some semblance of real medical intervention. Were they to do that, the BATFE would lose its effort to deny 2A. Were they to FAIL to order intervention, they might just side with the BATFE against the potheads.
December 20th, 2011 at 5:37 am
who made you god what makes you think you know better who are you to set a standard for US flip my finger to you sir as your pig with lip stick and dressing up like a cop or la enforcement makes no sense your sense is not of a constitution republic just stop the war and legalize the cannabis for all uses there is no law enforcement problem other then how they think what they think nor will they like what they lose when it becomes well legal and by the way being high is like cool state whats wrong with that ,
December 20th, 2011 at 6:30 am
The thing is, all of you are sitting here spewing this ignorance. You all obviously know nothing about cannabis what so ever. It has been proven to kill cancer cells while helping new cells grow. Also, you should know that THC is not the medicinal part of this plant, CBDs are what is curing peoples ailments. I have seen first hand how cannabis can really help someone. Please do more research before you write about things you know nothing about.
December 20th, 2011 at 6:55 am
This country actually has a legal pathway for making drugs legal – the Food and Drug Administration Amendments Act (FDAAA) of 2007, and the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act). Several groups have submitted investigational new drug (IND) applications for marijuana and THC. No one has yet proven that they are safe and effective for any medical use.
If you “know” it is safe and effective, run a clinical trial in accordance with good clinical practices (GCP) and publish the data. Without scientific data, opinions and emotional appeals cannot and must not be a basis for governing.
December 20th, 2011 at 7:18 am
This just goes back to the joke that freedom is in our country.
You are free.
Only if you are just like me.
Joe six pack certainly is not bared from having a gun.
He is only held accountable if he screws up while under the influence.
Why then is not marijuana held to the same standard?
December 20th, 2011 at 8:45 am
Like it or not, cannabis IS medicine and it DOES treat numerous conditions and has , for thousands of years . the pharmaceutical products that have synthetic THC in them DONT address certain other health issues/symptoms. There are other constituents in the plant that medicate so the whole plant does need to be used to medicate, really. im not going to pay some multi-national pharmaceutical corp. for their toxic medicine that doesn’t work as well . there’s no reason cannabis medicine patients can’t own/operate firearms assuming they aren’t medicated at the time. someone who drinks doesnt shoot their guns or go to the gun club if they’ve had booze to drink if they’re responsible .