OC in Cali
A challenge to the state’s ban:
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March 20th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Nice to hear someone with balls up and describe the NRA and SAF as they are and not as they want to appear….
March 20th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Allot of 2A defenders do not support open carry. For allot of reasons. Concealed carry should be the fight to spend resources on, should be national concealed carry, pref with no permits.
March 20th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
John,
Or, just possibly, rather than being absolutely perfectly “right” on principle, but losing politically and in the Courts for who knows how long, one could, again, just maybe, strategically get as much as they can right now and -incrementally- make it better.
You know, like every current state with Constitutional Carry did and what we’re actually seeing work in state after state.*
*in re Vermont: turn back the time machine to 1903, resurrect the same -state- VT Supreme Court Justices who made the ruling and give them national jurisdiction, -and- replace every state’s constitution with that of Vermont’s of that era and we can discuss “Vermont Carry” as anything but an outlier.
March 20th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Anyway, more power to him but neither the NRA nor SAF are “opposed to open carry.”
True the NRA in particular has (at best) appeared to screw stuff up in some cases by not working with locals on state legislation but their “opposition”, like that of SAF’s, is not in principle but in practice.
CCW, in practice, appears to be easier to get passed as, unlike in the 19th and 20th centuries when it was a sign of ill-intent, “out of sight, out of mind” avoids much of the soccer-mom angst of having to see those scary guns that can scuttle bills.
His comment about SAF is also off-base as Peruta has established precedent in CA that some form of carry must be allowed. It also makes a strong case that unloaded OC is insufficient to provide a Constitutional alternative to loaded arbitrary CC.
A win there could end up with either shall-issue, or OC coming back, this time not neutered.
So yeah, it’s SAF that’s the problem. =/
March 20th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
I’m surprised he hasn’t shot himself in the leg with that dangerous holster yet. I heard it on the internet.
March 20th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
On topic…
Just read the county settled in the Nordyke case (gun shows allowed if guns cabled to tables, Kosinski pointed out cables could be 5-10 long, Nordykes acknowledged they could hold a show under those conditions).
Peruta, the San Diego case challenging may-issue as effectively denying the right to carry.
The judge contorted to rule that the arbitrariness need not be addressed as unloaded OC was legal.
That option’s gone now and the appeal argues that it was Constitutionally insufficient anyway as it was novel (not common practice anywhere, nor recommended by any professional group including LEOs) and that requiring unloaded storage was deemed insufficient for immediate self-defense use even in the safety of the home in Heller I.
Charlie should have carry one way or the other soon.
March 20th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Whoops, Peruta was waiting on the Nordyke decision to see if any new decisions were made by the en banc panel that would effect their review.
With Nordyke done and no new revelations in jurisprudence apparent, Peruta can move forward.
March 20th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
I support equality… Open carry for all who can and open carry for all who can… I do not divide my loyalty, with compromise then claiming I won when I only got a part of what I wanted…
March 20th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
I am going to have to do some reading on this.Does this mean you cant open carry your pistol in deer camp.
March 21st, 2012 at 12:24 am
I support firearms carry, be it open, closed, concealed, nude, whatever. As long as its holstered or slung, and you have booger hooks off bang switches and are following the 4 cardinal rules… who am I to care?
March 21st, 2012 at 1:26 am
So is no carry better in the meantime?
Life doesn’t have to be, and seldom is, all or nothing. Get as much as you can as soon as you can (which is a win in part) and improve from there. It’s a shorter distance from 5 to 10 than from 0 to 10, take the 5, regroup, and go back for the other half.
Just like Alaska went from no concealed carry and local option on OC in ’94, to pre-emption and Con Carry in ’04. And we’re still improving the laws, bit by bit.