Wait, where’s the 1911?
Why the Glock and not the M&P?
Not sure that the M&P is inherently less accurate. I’m leaning toward it being that people who find them less accurate are used to shooting Glocks. I’m less accurate with my M&P than with my Glock but when LaughingDog shot it, it was a ringer.
Meanwhile, why the M&P?
I bought my second M&P Saturday. I picked up the M&P 9C just before buy a gun day, figuring I needed a match to go with the full size. The C is somewhere between a Glock 26 and 19 in terms of size. Seems S&W took the things folks complained about in Glocks and ‘fixed’ them for lack of a better word. For instance, the grip angle is more 1911 than Glock and they put real, non plastic sights on them. The trigger on the M&P is very meh. It’s smoother than a Glock out of the box but it has no reset. So, everyone puts the Apex RAM in them it seems. S&W should just contract with Apex and install them at the factory.
I think both Glocks and M&Ps are fine carry guns and I carry and shoot both.
April 9th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Agreed. I carry the Glock 19 but also carry the M&P. Bottom line is I like both.
April 9th, 2012 at 9:17 am
I wouldn’t say the M&P doesn’t have a reset, it has a different reset. My M&P 9c (bought in 2010) has a longer and softer reset(with 2 clicks) rather than the shorter and firmer reset found on most single trigger pistols. In fact its almost like a light revolver trigger IMHO,YMMV.
April 9th, 2012 at 9:18 am
As much as I wanted to like them,I had an M&P 9 and M&P9 Pro, I just shoot the Glocks better. Had all the Apex upgrades and still shot better quals with the Glocks.
I’m the only one still shooting and carrying a Glock. The rest of my cohorts went to M&P’s
Your milage may vary.
April 9th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Not sure about the 1911 grip thing, but I’ve shot Glocks, 1911s, Xd’s, Smiths, etc. The M+P pistols fit my Screwed- Up hands to a “T,” and if Money weren’t an issue, I’d buy at least 4. But YMMV, of course.
April 9th, 2012 at 9:25 am
YOU CAN’T LIKE THEM BOTH! YOU MUST PICK A SIDE!
🙂
Looks like I’m going to make my pair of M&Ps my BAG Day purchases, actually.
April 9th, 2012 at 9:37 am
I call the glock the ak-47 of the pistol world.
Maybe the M&P is the ak-74 of the pistol world.
April 9th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Actually, the “out of the box” accuracy problem with the M&P seems to be fairly common. S&W isn’t saying anything offical, but there seems to be a general consensus that it’s not quite right… the twist rate, the lock up and dwell time… that it’s just not working out with many factory barrels. Some people get it fine, others don’t. I mean, my factory M&P was grouping like 6-8″ at 25 yards with practice ammo (same ammo grouped about 2-3″ with my XD-9 Service with factory barrel). Gold Dot 124 +P gave me about a 3-4″ group. Switched to a KKM barrel, I’ll get 3-4″ grouping with the target ammo now. And I know many people with many M&P’s that report similar issues. Google turns up a lot too. But it will vary from gun to gun, barrel to barrel… you could have one that shoots great. And frankly, that sort of lack of consistency is a bit of a problem in and of itself.
Now if Apex will ever come out with their barrel (they designed, Bar-Sto to produce) well… that’ll be awesome based upon the preliminary data they’ve reported. But so far it’s vaporware.
April 9th, 2012 at 10:14 am
“Not sure that the M&P is inherently less accurate. I’m leaning toward it being that people who find them less accurate are used to shooting Glocks.”
There is a documented early-unlocking issue with recent production M&P 9s in the full-size and long-slide versions that plays hob with accuracy when you get out around 25 yards. It appears to be a tolerance stacking issue (since it doesn’t happen to all guns, only most) centered around the barrel-hood locking angle which was changed when the “C” version came out so that all the barrels could be cut on the same tooling.
The main problem that has most folks upset is that S&W just solved the problem by re-defining what was “acceptable accuracy” at 25yds.
April 9th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Also, yeah, what Hsoi said.
April 9th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Also, as far as accuracy goes, the target I was using when I shot Uncle’s M&P was only 7-10 yards away.
It was a little amusing that I shot his M&P better than any of the centerfire pistols I had packed that trip. I am glad that, a year later, I’m finally at the point where I shoot about the same group with any pistol I pick up now.
April 9th, 2012 at 11:40 am
I don’t need no nine mil glock
These hands are deadly guns
From smokin, drinkin, bein a thug
I sip hypnotyq from a coffee mug
I keep a healthy state of mind
I only drink and drive night
(Chorus)
I know Karate
I Know Jujitsu
I Drive Like a Gangsta when I’m coming to see you
April 9th, 2012 at 11:42 am
I just picked up a Glock 17. I was looking at the M&P9 but the Glock was less expensive and came with one more magazine. It also had the trigger that was more to my taste. Speaking of the trigger, I’ve found it to be very smooth right out of the box, and I’ve been carrying 1911s for the last 5 years.
Does that make the Glock ‘better’ than the M&P? Objectively, no. Subjectively? Of course.
April 9th, 2012 at 11:52 am
RobertM,
Indeed, I consider these two $DISPOSABLE_PLASTIC_COMMODITY_PISTOLs to be pretty much of a muchness. I bought the used M&P because the used G19 at the same show for the same price had those fruity XS Big Dots on it and I didn’t want to have to change out the sights.
If things had been the other way, I’d be carrying a Gen 3 Glock 19 right now and be just as happy. Whichever.
April 9th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
I’d say the 1911, is right where it needs to be. At the top of the heap. The same place it has been, fore some time.
April 10th, 2012 at 12:01 am
What Jerry said.
April 10th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Unless we’re talking about rifles and shots over 200-300 yards, I think all modern firearms are pretty much the same in terms of inherent accuracy.
When we talk about combat handguns fired off-hand, I’d go so far as to say that there are *zero* measurable accuracy differences between them.
Hence, when someone says pistol-X is more accurate than pistol-Y, I pretty much jump immediatly to the conclusion that they simply can’t shoot well-enough to diagnose the true source of their errors.