Libertarian Fonzie v. Hacks
So, I caught Nick Gillespie on Bill Maher’s show. The Libertarian Fonzie (forgot who started calling him that but it makes me laugh) apparently became an internet meme so I made one:
It’s pretty funny to me. He got Maher and Maddow to admit that, basically, they are hacks. The supposedly crazy radical libertarian was the one who sounded reasonable as both Maher and Maddow shouted him down a few times. The reaction from some of the lefties amused me as they think Maddow owned Gillespie. Right. I dunno why I see this in lefties more but they have this tendency to make up their oppositions opinions then bash the made up ones.
You can watch the whole thing here.
June 30th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
“I dunno why I see this in lefties more but they have this tendency to make up their oppositions opinions then bash the made up ones. ”
You see it more because it happens more. Conservatives are more knowledgeable about the specifics of Liberal positions than Liberals are about Conservative positions. There is at least one study showing this.
June 30th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
“I dunno why I see this in lefties more but they have this tendency to make up their oppositions opinions then bash the made up ones.”
Lefties live in a weird straw-man bubble. Its so odd having conversations with them, they interpret everything you say in the least sensible way possible, then attack the absurd position they just created.
June 30th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Gee, nothing like listening to “Reasoned Discourse”, eh?
June 30th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
The comments at You Tube are also making your point. So far, most are positive about Gillespie. “Owned?” is a common theme.
June 30th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Yeah, NO reasoned discourse… sigh…
June 30th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Liberals live in a “community-based reality”, where everybody has the right to vote on the laws of physics and economics. They don’t like it when people tell them it doesn’t work that way.
June 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Dammitall, it’s not racist when they do it!
(Sorry, didn’t have an hour to sit through Mahr’s bullshit. Not sure if that applies.)
June 30th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
That sort of thing happens on the right as well, but there’s a genuine culture difference because of media bias. Conservatives have to sit through far more of actual lefties offering their opinions. On the other hand, many lefties only hear conservative arguments as filtered through other lefties–they rarely hear conservative and libertarian arguments from people who believe them. It makes a huge difference.
I noticed this when I worked in DC. I’d hear lefties all the time trying to tell me what other libertarians and conservatives believed. They were almost always wrong, and when I’d ask them who actually said such things (often ridiculous) they’d say they read it from one lefty writer or another. And when I suggested they ought to read the arguments actually made by their political opponents rather than getting them from political allies, they balked. It’s just the way it is. Lefties believe all sorts of things about conservatives and libertarians that are simply misguided.
June 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Maybe it really is true that there is something organically and
physically wrong with the brains of leftists?
July 1st, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Youtube pulled it.
July 2nd, 2012 at 11:49 am
Remember, to the Left the personal is political and the political is personal.
Maddow won with “[y]ou don’t know me!”
This is the trump card to the Left.
July 2nd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Well, it is Rachel Maddow, after all.
Every time I’ve had the misfortune to have to read or see a moment of her output I’ve regretted it.
Like a Progressive Rush Limbaugh, but without Limbaugh’s decency or thoughtfulness.
(Not that he’s a paragon of either, but I’m here to mock Maddow, not praise Limbaugh.)
(And what ern said. Also true of (l,L)ibertarians – anyone [in America] who isn’t a Leftist of some sort has to deal with a constant stream of simple assumption that some other worldview that theirs is right, unless they carefully choose media to avoid that.
That seems to lead to a sort of bewildering cocooning effect in parts of the Left that never seriously look outside that bubble – I say “seriously”, because “looking at the dummies that Maddow told you were dummies ha ha how dumb are they to disagree?” doesn’t give one a lot of perspective, y’know?)
July 2nd, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Link is borked. Here’s another one.
July 2nd, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Right. I dunno why I see this in lefties more but they have this tendency to make up their oppositions opinions then bash the made up ones.
You have to grasp someone’s ideas before you disagree with or attempt to refute them. That takes work; this approach is much easier.
While this is definitely more common on the Left than on the right, all of them across the so-called “spectrum” tend to bury the needle on it whenever confronted with someone in a wookiee suit, or *gasp* Objectivist ideas.
July 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Ummmm, you guys do know that left right authoritarian and libertarian are all seperate points of the political compass yeah?
http://politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform
As a leftist Libertarian I can tell you that its just as hard to discuss thigs with a right wing libertarian is it is a left wing authoritarian.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:03 am
Shannon, can you describe what you mean by “leftist libertarian.” Does this mean you are in favor of forced redistribution? I am curious what you mean by the term.
July 3rd, 2012 at 3:12 pm
It’s something she heard from Chomsky, no doubt. It’s intended to shield leftists from responsibility for the consequences of their ideas.
July 6th, 2012 at 2:29 am
“I dunno why I see this in lefties more but they have this tendency to make up their oppositions opinions then bash the made up ones.”
Attacking the straw man is the favorite technique of liberal opinion mongers, and Jon Stewart in particular.
“I noticed this when I worked in DC. I’d hear lefties all the time trying to tell me what other libertarians and conservatives believed. They were almost always wrong, and when I’d ask them who actually said such things (often ridiculous) they’d say they read it from one lefty writer or another.”
A few months ago while at lunch downtown I overheard one lawyer looking type talking to another about the Republican presidential primaries, and how he couldn’t stand Santorum because Santorum wanted to ban contraception! I’m no fan of Santorum, but that contraception accusation is a lie so I informed the fool of the truth.