I think that the linked post is nonsense too. My understanding is that SWAT entry teams sometimes use armor shields and enter holding their sidearms around the shield in front of the viewport held sideways – because that’s where their arm reach allows them to see the sights.
Gangbangers picked up this hold even though they had no armor shields.
Did an informal test holding a gun gangster style years ago. It hit 1 person to the left every time. Explained a lot to me about the tendency for every bystander to be shot save the one that was the intended target….
Legend has it that the gangsta hold was a by-blow of volume sales of Basque full-auto pistols to Chinese warlords, whose intended targets reliably came on in even ranks. But I heard they invented spaghetti, too.
Seriously, it started after the kerfluffle in gun rags about the “Israeli Method” (carrying chamber empty for conscript safety, slingshooting the slide while getting into a combat crouch, and then grabbing the pistol in a squatting Isosceles) was being lampooned by ONLY showing the photo of the guy right after the slide slingshot. . . where the gun was still sideways. That out-of-context photo was the Gecko45 Mall Ninja of its day for gunrags.
Shortly thereafter, sideways shooting was featured in a movie. Shortly after THAT, gangbangers started doing it.
“C follows B, which follows A” doesn’t prove causation, but it does look like a positive and valid correlation to me, in this case.
If you read on down, it actually does boil down to that – as he says, they’re not actually training that way, and just imitating something they thought looks cool.
More apt way to put it is “a highly trained Operator(tm) could use a technique that looks like that in some circumstances, maybe, but probably wouldn’t anyway” … and “anyone else doing that is an idiot every time”.
The internet is letting me down, as I’m unable to find the MOVIE this originated from, but in a certain scene where actors were shooting blanks in a close together, tight shot, one of the sctors kept getting hit with hot brass. The other actor, not wanting to burn his friend, tilted his gun 90 degrees to make the ejected brass go straight up, instead of in the other actors face.
October 11th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
“The reason is actually to help them aim faster by utilizing a technique known as “Flash Sight Picture”.”
what total BULL S*IT!!!
Clearly someone does not know what Jeff Coopers “Flash Sight Picture” was all about.
The gangsta’s use it cause the movies used it. Mas Ayoob debunked the gangsta hold along time ago as for usefulness.
October 11th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
I think that the linked post is nonsense too. My understanding is that SWAT entry teams sometimes use armor shields and enter holding their sidearms around the shield in front of the viewport held sideways – because that’s where their arm reach allows them to see the sights.
Gangbangers picked up this hold even though they had no armor shields.
October 11th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Did an informal test holding a gun gangster style years ago. It hit 1 person to the left every time. Explained a lot to me about the tendency for every bystander to be shot save the one that was the intended target….
October 11th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
No ,they’re still retarded!
October 12th, 2012 at 11:30 am
I don’t care why they hold their guns that way, as long as they can’t hit what they’re shooting at (especially if it’s me!).
October 12th, 2012 at 11:38 am
No, they are retarded, and they’ve come up with a cargo cult gun style to go along with their retardedness.
October 12th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Legend has it that the gangsta hold was a by-blow of volume sales of Basque full-auto pistols to Chinese warlords, whose intended targets reliably came on in even ranks. But I heard they invented spaghetti, too.
October 12th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Seriously, it started after the kerfluffle in gun rags about the “Israeli Method” (carrying chamber empty for conscript safety, slingshooting the slide while getting into a combat crouch, and then grabbing the pistol in a squatting Isosceles) was being lampooned by ONLY showing the photo of the guy right after the slide slingshot. . . where the gun was still sideways. That out-of-context photo was the Gecko45 Mall Ninja of its day for gunrags.
Shortly thereafter, sideways shooting was featured in a movie. Shortly after THAT, gangbangers started doing it.
“C follows B, which follows A” doesn’t prove causation, but it does look like a positive and valid correlation to me, in this case.
October 12th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
I always assumed it started because the gangbangers were used to sliding their pistol hand through partially-open car windows to shoot each other.
October 12th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
They are retarded. That a Marine figured out how to do it and STILL be somewhat effective isn’t surprising. He’s a Marine.
And they are still morons who hit more bystanders than targets.
October 12th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
If you read on down, it actually does boil down to that – as he says, they’re not actually training that way, and just imitating something they thought looks cool.
More apt way to put it is “a highly trained Operator(tm) could use a technique that looks like that in some circumstances, maybe, but probably wouldn’t anyway” … and “anyone else doing that is an idiot every time”.
October 13th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
The internet is letting me down, as I’m unable to find the MOVIE this originated from, but in a certain scene where actors were shooting blanks in a close together, tight shot, one of the sctors kept getting hit with hot brass. The other actor, not wanting to burn his friend, tilted his gun 90 degrees to make the ejected brass go straight up, instead of in the other actors face.