Catholics come out for gun control
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January 27th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Markie Marxist sez: “We commies are not above using religious kooks as useful idiots. If we can get the kooky Catholic Church to go along with our gun ban agenda, maybe we can be nice to them in the future. We’ll send those religious kook Catholics to the death, uh, re-education camps last. Maybe. If we feel like it. Will we? Uhhh . . . probably not. We’ll just send them whenever it’s convenient for us, and since they’ll have no guns, that will be whenever we please. Ha! Ha!”
January 27th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Another reason I’m non-practicing……
January 27th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Saint Gabriel Possenti, patron saint of handgunners, as a counter-point:
http://www.volokh.com/posts/1172557175.shtml
January 27th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
That worked so well during WWII . . . . .
January 27th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Looks like a bunch of liberal “catholic” academics who signed this letter. Many are representing Jesuit universities, which are the most liberal catholic universities. Total BS.
January 27th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
This should not be a surprise, the majority of Catholic’s voted for BHO. The Church may have spoke against him but who listens to them. What ironic about this is the number of politicians that are Catholic and support abortion, this is where they need to focus and stay out of gun control. I guess in order to be a good Catholic you don’t need to believe in the Constitution.
January 27th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Wonder if Chick-Fil-A gives any of these groups money…
January 27th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
Much like the police organizations that come out in favor of gun control while the actual police officers and oppose it. I highly doubt that this is the position of the average Catholic. I know it isn’t the position of this one.
January 27th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Well, if you give them money, and they use it to come out with crap like this, then you *are* supporting it regardless of your position on the matter.
The Catholic Schools around here got crossed of the list for my kids when they came out with a similar stance a couple of weeks ago.
January 27th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
Please do not confuse the National Catholic Reporter with what Catholics believe or what the Catholic Church teaches. This publication is run by dissidents who do not follow the teachings of the church and have been asked more than once to remove the word “Catholic” from their publication by the Bishop of the diocese they are headquartered in.
January 27th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
I for one am striking back. After years of devoting thousands of dollars to Catholic Charities (who signed-on as a supporting organization to Feinstein’s civilian disarmament plan) and our local parish; the money has just been tuned off. I will not support ANY entity that has no respect for my civil and Constitutional rights. Yesterday I told Catholic Charities they would never see another cent from me as they are in league with tyranny.
There is no way in hell I sending cash to pro 2A groups only to have my church fight the effort with the money I am sending them. This afternoon I told my local priest that when the church removes it’s collective head from it’s holy arse I may resume supporting the parish; until then I am sure my other charitable concerns will be happy to accept a gun owner’s cash.
January 28th, 2013 at 12:12 am
One of the major guys signing that letter is pro partial birth abortions. Several have been censured by the Vatican. They are NOT representing Catholics. And it is offensive that they claim to be so.
January 28th, 2013 at 12:18 am
FYI Catholic.org and CatholicVote.org have both published pro-gun articles. And, unlike the NCR, are actually run by real Catholics.
In a just world most of those signers would have been excommunicated years ago for their pro-abortion view amongst other issues.
January 28th, 2013 at 8:28 am
I’m a devout Catholic, and NCR does not speak for me. Instead, I let these two learned Men and thousands of others speak the truth:
“Though defensive violence will always be ‘a sad necessity’ in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men.”
– St. Augustine
“Without doubt one is allowed to resist against the unjust aggressor to one’s life, one’s goods or one’s physical integrity; sometimes, even ’til the aggressor’s death…. In fact, this act is aimed at preserving one’s life or one’s goods and to make the aggressor powerless. Thus, it is a good act, which is the right of the victim.”
– Thomas Aquinas
Catholic teaching actually backs the use of deadly force to preserve life. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states it boldly in writing. These so-called “Catholics” are the same ones who probably voted for Obama and who support abortion.
January 28th, 2013 at 11:03 am
and Jesus said “go and sin no more.” Catholic church, remember when you apologized for your sins of supporting Hitler, Mussolini and the Jewish death camps? STOP SUPPORTING TYRANNY. Even though Satan promises you the whole world, say to him: “Get thee behind me.”
January 28th, 2013 at 11:08 am
Painting the Catholic Church (the people like me) with a wide brush is like painting all gun owners with the same brush as Adam Lanza. Observant, devout and learned Catholics know better. We DO NOT support gun control measures. It is right there in our Catholic teaching that respects, supports and defends the legitamate use of force. To be pro-gun is to be pro-life.
January 28th, 2013 at 11:25 am
“These so-called “Catholics” are the same ones who probably voted for Obama and who support abortion.”
Fin, they do. Google some of the names on that list. One of them supports freakin’ partial birth abortions.
They’re not Catholics.
January 28th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
As a Catholic I agree with Fin, Spade, Dano, and others. NCR does not speak for all (or even most) Catholics.
Despite what non-Catholics believe, it is not run like a dictatorship where all Catholic clergy and religious leaders have to think exactly alike.
The people who signed this letter are a very small, yet vocal, minority in the Catholic community in the US.
January 28th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
FIn,
Kinda like how the Cathechism of the Catholic Church states the authority of nations to use capital punishment. Official Catholic opinion is that they wish states would not (because nowadays we could realistically lock up such evildoers for life if we really, really, wanted to) because, even a dirtbag’s life is precious, but governments are certainly entitled to reserve the dealth penalty as an option. (Hell, VATICAN CITY retained the dealth penalty into the 20th Century. Not, “the civil government of Rome”, but the actual Vatican.)
Of course, liberal Catholics (like the overwhelming majority of US Catholic bishops) treat the death penalty as if it was dogma (insisting there is no room for debate), whilst treating abortion as an unfortuante choice (insisting it is OK to support politicians who openly support abortion, as long as they are “good” on all the socialist issues). . . exactly the OPPOSITE of actual Catholic dogma and doctrine.
January 28th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Geodkyt,
Agree with you 100%. The most vocal “Catholics” are the ones who are pro-abortion, anti-death penalty and anti-gun. They are the 60’s activist hippie types who never grew up. I reference the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
@ 2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. “The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one’s own life; and the killing of the aggressor…. The one is intended, the other is not.”
2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:
If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful…. Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one’s own life than of another’s.
2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.
And so, a person cannot truly call themselves “Catholic” and yet refuse to accept the teachings of the Church on matters of the use of force to preserve innocent life. I share this not to attempt to proselytize others here. I merely share this so that you know what Catholics are supposed to have been taught in their formation as Christians with regard to the justified use of force. You cannot pick and choose “cafeteria style” on moral issues such as abortion and the right to keep and bear arms and remain truly Catholic. You are merely “luke warm” and will be spat out.
Regards,
Fin
January 28th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
NCR ain’t Catholic. Just sayin’.
And why is it that we 2A types decry leftist’ painting all gun owners with a broad brush… then go on to do it ourselves?
Food for thought.
January 28th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
You’d think that the Catholic Church (well, people who purport to represent the Catholic Church) would have learned their lesson after supporting ObamaCare.
January 28th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
I’m a practicing Catholic and NOT in favor of gun control. I have outlined why in a series of essays on my blog. And, they are written from a pro-life position. You can read them by going to this link:
January 28th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
http://kevinkeeler.blogspot.com/2013/01/getting-ourselves-off-hook.html
January 28th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Um, not this Catholic. Don’t assume we all follow the lead when pointy-headed academic types pull this kind of shit to enhance their own relevance. The largest religion in the world is bound to have its share of goofballs. This is NOT Church doctrine here, folks.
January 28th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
The National Catholic Reporter is not a Catholic newspaper. The Bishop where they publish, has repeatedly asked them to remove the word Catholic from there paper. So before you start with your anti-Catholic bias, try a little research
January 28th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
…..And he said unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a wallet; and he that hath none, let him sell his cloak, and buy a sword.