The wrong side of history
Once again, the Catholic Church is on it.
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April 7th, 2013 at 9:50 pm
How about that comments section. If the Council of Nicaea issued its creed today, loyal, practicing Catholics would have an abortion argument over it.
Their evangelism always works on me. After three or four dicta, I’m calling on Jesus Christ Almighty. Sadly, so far that has been in vain, so I’m a sinner.
Someone did finally point out that the Council of Bishops is in no way the voice of the church (Oh, They Call It “The Church,” Sorry), just the opinion of some appointed administrators. Unsettling, isn’t it?
In this diocese (See, I didn’t say “Bishopric”), you could get mad, go mad, act mad, and burn down Catholic churches all night until you hit one that wasn’t abandoned and deconsecrated. I suppose the Creator would notice, but the Bishop’s interest would be purely real-estate. His name is on the property deed.
April 8th, 2013 at 12:08 am
Says the church that owns a room full of machine guns for the pope’s Swiss guard:
http://thedonovan.com/archives/2009/04/whatziss_1_1.html
April 8th, 2013 at 8:26 am
From our own Catechism of the Catholic Church: @2263 “The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. “The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one’s own life; and the killing of the aggressor…. The one is intended, the other is not.” And so, being pro-life does not mean being for assault weapons bans or gun control. Furthermore, @2264 the Catechism states: “Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:
If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful…. Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one’s own life than of another’s.”
If I as a mere layman can read the teachings of the Church and understand them, I fail to see why scholarly men cannot do the same. Before the Catholic bashing begins here, let me say that not all Catholics agree with the statements that the Council of Catholic Bishops have made with regard to gun control being “pro-life”. To paint all Catholics with that brush is akin to laud the opinions of Jim Zumbo as if he speaks for all gun owners. John 20:21 “Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”
Fin says Peace through Superior Firepower. Go forth with dry powder and be not afraid. Peace be with you.
April 8th, 2013 at 10:13 am
Fin hits the nail on the head. Catholicism is all about the individual’s relationship to God.
I have tried to explain it before by the ordering of priorities in a Catholic life: God, self, others.
This is contrary to the collectivist predilections of modern society, to which I respond, “Me first.”
April 8th, 2013 at 11:50 am
I particularly liked the commenter that was all for denying communion to pro-gun and “NRA supporters” while saying nothing about denying it to pro-choicers like Biden, Pelosi and Kennedy.
April 8th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Fin is exactly right. Furthermore, if more people did read the actual TEACHINGS of the Church (the USCCB’s comments are not teachings), they might find some stuff in there they agree with. To wit, the whole doctrine of subsidearity. It says that deciosions should be made at the lowest level practical. Start with the person, family, parish, diocese, on up. The lowest level that is competent to deal with a problem or issue should.
April 9th, 2013 at 11:07 am
For decades, I have been disgusted with the Catholic bishops who insist all sorts of things are “key issues” and act as if you cannot be a Catholic in good standing unless you agree wholeheartedly with them on all of them, despite that the issues they are so concerned with are generally not “dogma” nor “doctrine” (i.e., “no room for dissention and remain a good Catholic”). . . but they only TALK a good game about abortion while supporting pro-abortion candidates who “vote the right way” on their pet “social justice” issues.
The problem is that things such as capitalism, poverty relief, wealth, self-defense, war, and, yes, EVEN THE DEATH PENALTY, are areas where you can hold and promote differing opinions and still be considered a “good Catholic”. For example, the Catholic Church acknowledges the _authority_ of the state to impose the death penalty, but feels that modern incarceration capabilities render it unnecessary — therefor the Church _disapproves_ of the death penalty because of (among other things) a belief in the general sanctity of life and the aversion to the risk of mistakenly executing an innocent, however slim the chance of such a mistake. You can believe and promote the end of clerical celibacy, allowing female priests, support same sex marriage, etc. — all without leaving the Church.
However abortion is one of the (fairly few) “absolute” positions in the Catholic Church in regards to civil actions. You CANNOT be a “pro-choice” Catholic – since the Church’s doctrine is that all fetuses are people, and obviously are below the “Age of Reason”, abortion is the deliberate murder of an innocent child. Given the particularly innocent and helpless nature of the victim, it is considered a particularly heinous murder, far worse than knifing some dude because he wouldn;t hand over his wallet. Thus, it is an absolute position — do not pass Go, do not collect $200. Hell, your parish priest (except in specific and unusual circumstances) cannot even pronounce absolution for participating in an abortion — abortion (including assisting in procuring one) is an automatic excommunication offence and one of the few sins that MUST go to the diocese level to be handled. In fact, the excommunication is one of the few that occurs WITHOUT having to be officially pronounced — even if no member of the Church ever finds out about an abortion you were involved with, technically the excommunication is in effect from the moment you crossed that line. (Yes, there is a procedure to have the excommunication lifted and absolution pronounced, but slipping into the booth at St. Joe’s on Saturday morning won’t cut it, even though Father Bob at St. Joe’s CAN handle the murdering meth-head mugger.)
If the college of American bishops actually enforced Catholic canons, the overwhelming majority of political candidates they agree with on the “social justice” issues would be declared anathema.