Dumb idea, also won’t happen
So, some guy wants to get a bunch of gun guys to march on Washington. Only with their loaded rifles. I’m told he tries this every year and no one but a few undercover feds show up.
Even if this actually went down, it’s dumb. You’re breaking the law. And, hell, here in gun-friendly TN, I can’t just strap an AR over my shoulder and head to Wal Mart. And there would be a confrontation with the police and, if there were a couple of agents provocateur, it could get ugly fast.
Stop helping.
May 19th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Nothing to worry about.
See, yesterday in Philly he and some friends were attending a pro-pot legalization rally. Several of them, including Kokesh, were detained. One guy got a citation for handing out flyers, others were cited for loitering or talking or whatever bullshit cops and their handlers like to deploy when they’re annoyed. Mr. Kokesh, however, was picked up by federal coppers and taken into federal custody. No one’s entirely sure where he is, and it seems the charge is everyone’s favorite catch-all: resisting arrest.
I agree that that 4th of July stunt is a terrible idea, and have been vocal about that in at least one forum that Kokesh is known to frequent. However, after yesterday’s events I’m a little more inclined to believe that he was poking the right hornet’s nest.
May 19th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
That’s strange. Here in gun friendly Indiana I can sling my AK over my back and go anywhere I want except inside a courtroom. The most anyone could say is leave, now, please.
May 19th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
If you’re going to support carry in general, then you should support it all the way. Even though the panic stricken few would have their chins all a-quiver at the sight of someone carrying an AR, those are the same people having conniptions over the rest of us carrying our handguns. What’s the difference, Uncle? You are coming across as another one of those “I’m a 2nd Amendment supporter, but…” guys. I’m sure you don’t mean to, but I’d love to hear your explanation.
Okay, yes, in DC currently it would be illegal, and we have to honor the law, even if it defies logic and is technically unconstitutional. I get it. But what if we all just crawled whenever anyone tried to enact new gun control laws instead of rallying and standing up for our civil liberties? I’m not really seeing the difference.
May 19th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
Saying that this is a dumb idea doesn’t mean I don’t support the right to carry guns. It just means it’s a dumb idea.
May 19th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
I’ve worn my AR15 strapped to my back and marched on the Oregon State capital.
May 19th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
March on Washington D.C.?
Now look I’m all pro 2nd Amendment but that would just not be a bright idea. An agent-provocateur could fire one shot at the White House and every LEO would go ape shit.
No. There is no need to get a bunch of armed people to walk around D.C. as some kind of protest.
May 19th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
What is/was the purpose of the march? If it’s to gain support for RKBA it will fail as he marchers will be viewed as dangerous wingnuts by the population at large. If it’s to prove that you/they/we can it will fail because the marchers will be arrested if they are peaceful and will end up dead or wounded if they aren’t peaceful. There is no positive outcome for RKBA support by doing it.
I’m 100% pro open carry and believe the Constitution gives citizens the right to own any weapon they choose. I also live in the real world and opinion has to be changed gradually and we are making big gains without such marches. TS
May 19th, 2013 at 10:44 pm
This guy was just arrested by the Philly PD, see here, for being part of a pot protest. Not that there’s anything wrong with that…. but the feds tend to frown particularly upon potheads with guns. That whole 4473 question and all.
It would seem if you look up “attention whore” in a dictionary, you’ll find this guy’s picture as the caption.
May 19th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
Fella must be from North Korea, and goes by the name Sum Dum Gai.
May 20th, 2013 at 12:39 am
Ha ha… let’s call him names. That’ll learn him.
Meanwhile, this happened: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwALyVUNYa8
That’s a link to a slow-mo video of something strange occurring as Kokesh is being taken into custody. It’s difficult to imagine anything innocuous happening in this video.
May 20th, 2013 at 12:55 am
The Militia cannot legally muster and assemble in DC. Interesting concept.
May 20th, 2013 at 9:31 am
What is the difference between the militia and an armed mob?
Is it a militia if the group is made up of SEIU members? Black Pathners? Klu Klux Klan? Tea Partiers? Fraternal order of police?
This march is about making the participants feel good about themselves. The optics suck.
This is the same thing as flipping of the crazy guy on the highway. You feel great about expressing yourself… until you become the sole focus of the nut.
Focus on winning, not scoring *points*.
May 20th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
Armed march on DC, eh? I think there’s a word for that. It’s called an insurrection. This guy is a bonehead.
May 20th, 2013 at 9:54 pm
For the sake of “discussion”:
Insurrection? How can that be, when we have the Right to own, wear and bear firearms?
Yes, the supreme Court said it’s a right subject to limitations, but how can that be? The Constitution makes it clear that the Court cannot make law and that the only method of changing constitutional restrictions-placed-on-government or protected-Rights-and-freedoms guaranteed to ALL citizens is via the Article V Amendment Process.
Has the Second Amendment been amended out of existence? No? Has the Court been granted, via amendment, the authority to make law? No?
Then clearly the Court’s promulgation of limitations on unalienable Rights is null and void, since any laws that do not comply with the Constitution – as it is written – are as if they had never been.
Sure, there are practical considerations like overwhelming force used against citizens acting lawfully against illegal actions by government actors. Jews in the Polish, Austrian, and German ghettos had practical considerations, too. So did millions of Russian and Warsaw Pact citizens every time they suspected the presence of GRU, KGB, STASI government actors. As did many of Saddam Hussein’s victims.
But does that mean we all just give up?
May 21st, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Woah… The holocaust is brought up on the internet? Since when?
Okay, since we are playing that game. Since freedom of assembly was not banned in Germany prior to the “Night of the Long Knives”. Why would Jewish / communist / homosexuals / Gypsie / Non-Nazi folks jet all antsy about a bunch of brown shirted youth assembling in front of their homes?
It isn’t that arrests will happen, its how they will be reported. It won’t be “defenders of the constitution march in silent, peaceful solidarity” It will be “Police stop angry mob with assult rifles from reaching whitehouse”. It’s a childish idea that just because we can, we should.
As for the strawman argument that not being myopic, petulant useful-idiots for the other side somehow equates to “we all just give up…”; well, I think I already addressed how I feel about that.
This has the same optics of a group of pro-lifers screaming “whore” at every teenage girl that goes into a clinic that performs abortions. All it does is harden the resolve of the other side while at the same time making some on our side think “I just don’t want to be associated with this side’s nutbags”.
If we want to win, then we need to make adult decisions about how we will achieve our long term goals. If we want to lose while feeling great about ourselves, then by all means stamp your feet angrily while handing ammunition to the other side.