Author claims it stops Marines from chicken-winging. Designed by an “active Coast Guard Shooter”. Probably more military references in the sales pitch, but I stopped reading at two tactical references, because derp.
Derp Defined: It is derp if the inventor thinks the answer to disciplined shooting technique comes in a box.
I actually like it as a research project, whether it actually works or not remains to be seen, but the idea that the more natural grip angle is slightly canted to the side seems possible.
Given that it’s somewhat important to hold a rifle vertical so that the sights work properly, I really have to wonder about making the one place where you can sense the angle of the rifle adjustable. (lemme see, did I have it vertical, or canted?”)
D2k — Yeah, it MIGHT have some merit. . . on a competition rifle that will ONLY be fired from a particular position and only with the same hand ALL THE TIME. Just as the stocks for top end bullseye pistols and rifles are often VERY closely shaped to the shooter’s strong hand. Unfortunately, THIS is not likely to be closely enough shaped, and I’m a tad worried about that application with an easily rotated and adjusted grip angle. . .
On a rifle laid out for more practical uses (even if only for 3-gun matches or the like), a center-lined grip that will feel the same to right OR left hand, in a variety of shooting stances and positions, seems far more useful, for the reasons Hartley states.
So, yup, it’s tacti-derp. Not as mind-blowingly stupid as the anti-teacupping dagger blade on a mag floorplate idea, but plenty derpy by itself.
“Given that it’s somewhat important to hold a rifle vertical so that the sights work properly…”
Cant the sight accordingly then. “Squaring” the sights to some arbitrary feature of the rifle means absolutely nothing. What matters is consistency and purity of elevation AS YOU HOLD YOUR RIFLE when breaking the shot. Ever see some of David Tubb’s setups, which can have everything all canted to hell and goofy-ass looking, as he wins championship after championship?
Nor are those arbitrary feature of the rifle, such as buttplate verticality, pistol grip, the sides of a flat-sided receiver, et all as good of indicators as you might think (and another set of unreliable and misleading indicators will be the features of the terrain). You’ll learn this if you ever shoot using a spirit level, shooting from more than one position. You’ll swear that the level is wrong in some cases.
February 3rd, 2014 at 7:07 pm
Author claims it stops Marines from chicken-winging. Designed by an “active Coast Guard Shooter”. Probably more military references in the sales pitch, but I stopped reading at two tactical references, because derp.
Derp Defined: It is derp if the inventor thinks the answer to disciplined shooting technique comes in a box.
Or something.
February 3rd, 2014 at 7:33 pm
I actually like it as a research project, whether it actually works or not remains to be seen, but the idea that the more natural grip angle is slightly canted to the side seems possible.
February 3rd, 2014 at 8:22 pm
Given that it’s somewhat important to hold a rifle vertical so that the sights work properly, I really have to wonder about making the one place where you can sense the angle of the rifle adjustable. (lemme see, did I have it vertical, or canted?”)
February 4th, 2014 at 8:41 am
Dats gangsta! LOL!
February 4th, 2014 at 12:53 pm
I dunno, I think that it might have some merit. Jury still out.
February 4th, 2014 at 2:08 pm
D2k — Yeah, it MIGHT have some merit. . . on a competition rifle that will ONLY be fired from a particular position and only with the same hand ALL THE TIME. Just as the stocks for top end bullseye pistols and rifles are often VERY closely shaped to the shooter’s strong hand. Unfortunately, THIS is not likely to be closely enough shaped, and I’m a tad worried about that application with an easily rotated and adjusted grip angle. . .
On a rifle laid out for more practical uses (even if only for 3-gun matches or the like), a center-lined grip that will feel the same to right OR left hand, in a variety of shooting stances and positions, seems far more useful, for the reasons Hartley states.
So, yup, it’s tacti-derp. Not as mind-blowingly stupid as the anti-teacupping dagger blade on a mag floorplate idea, but plenty derpy by itself.
February 4th, 2014 at 2:26 pm
Just so y’all know, DERP is a wholly owned subsidiary of ACME.
Most of their products come in Wylie E. Coyote brown.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
February 4th, 2014 at 4:11 pm
“Given that it’s somewhat important to hold a rifle vertical so that the sights work properly…”
Cant the sight accordingly then. “Squaring” the sights to some arbitrary feature of the rifle means absolutely nothing. What matters is consistency and purity of elevation AS YOU HOLD YOUR RIFLE when breaking the shot. Ever see some of David Tubb’s setups, which can have everything all canted to hell and goofy-ass looking, as he wins championship after championship?
Nor are those arbitrary feature of the rifle, such as buttplate verticality, pistol grip, the sides of a flat-sided receiver, et all as good of indicators as you might think (and another set of unreliable and misleading indicators will be the features of the terrain). You’ll learn this if you ever shoot using a spirit level, shooting from more than one position. You’ll swear that the level is wrong in some cases.
February 4th, 2014 at 4:38 pm
You will love these new sights then Lyle….
http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=41002
Somehow I doubt the lack of change in gun layout is due to tradition..