Layers of editorial oversight
Oh, sorry, I misspelled idiotorial.
Check out the pants shitting hysterics from the New York Post:
New York Knicks guard Raymond Felton waved a pistol loaded with body armor-piercing bullets at his wife during several spats in their Upper West Side pad — prompting the terrified woman to turn the gun and her estranged husband in to cops, law-enforcement sources said Tuesday.
The illegal gun’s clip was packed with 18 of the savage bullets — with one in the chamber ready to be fired, sources said.
“It’s a bad-ass gun,” a law-enforcement source told The Post of Felton’s Belgian-made FNH Five-Seven 28mm handgun.
So, let’s see here. He had an illegal gun! Aren’t there laws against that?
If he has armor-piercing bullets (which is unlikely) then they actually were illegal, at least at the federal level. But he didn’t.
I dunno what “savage bullets” are. But, yeah, most guns are chambered.
28mm handgun? So, the gun was 1.1 inches long or wide or deep? Or the ammo was 28mm? Which means he was carrying an anti-aircraft gun from WW2?
February 25th, 2014 at 10:17 pm
They got the caliber wrong, that’s Danny Vermin’s 88 magnum so a 22mm.
February 25th, 2014 at 10:19 pm
lol, 5.7x28mm for the five-seven. close guys, so close. uneducated dolts.
February 25th, 2014 at 10:22 pm
What gets me is that the wife’s lawyer brought the gun to the police. Doesn’t that make HIM guilty of illegal possession?
February 25th, 2014 at 10:25 pm
To be clear, I don’t know everything about everything, but I have enough education to know that I better research and understand what I am putting into the public sphere. If I see unusual nomenclature (on Wikipedia for example) I dig a little so I know what it means. 30 seconds with Google (or one more click on Wikipedia) would tell me that the bullet diameter is more important than its case length.
February 25th, 2014 at 10:26 pm
New York Post = National Enquirer. “Statute of Elvis Found on Mars” quality.
February 25th, 2014 at 10:27 pm
Ivan Chesnokov has predicted this with the 5.7 specifically.
February 25th, 2014 at 10:31 pm
I didn’t think Savage made ammunition…
February 25th, 2014 at 10:46 pm
I imagine the dolt that wrote this is the sort that thinks we ought to be on the metric system, yet has no clue how big 28mm is.
February 25th, 2014 at 10:59 pm
Pants-shitting-hysterics have the singular purpose of infecting other people with pants-shitting-hysterics. Those who study psychological warfare, like the Soviets, have known and practiced the art for many years. Even little kids, and spouses, know it and use it. Why do you think that little kid you’ve seen so many times in the shopping cart in the super-market is engaging in pants-shitting-hysterics? He’s come to know that it’s a useful tool of manipulation. Progressives use it reflexively. It’s what they do, and we are in part responsible for the behavior, in that we’re too often more interested in avoiding the hysterics than in refusing the outrageous demands while standing on principle.
Scratch any Progressive with a principle stick and you’ve got instant pants-shitting-hysterics. Bam! And that’s fine. It’s the way of the world. Now the trick is to let them shit their pants and make fools of themselves while calmly holding fast to the stick.
February 25th, 2014 at 11:08 pm
Of course it wouldn’t make any difference whether the bullets were “armor piercing” unless the wife were wearing body armor. And of course most armor piercing designs are very hard and so they don’t expand, and so their actually a bit less destructive to flesh than hunting bullets or HP.
And what exactly defines “bad-ass gun”? I don’t think a puny 5.7 quite qualifies, but of course none of this stuff matters.
Would it have been OK for the guy to point a “good-ass gun” at his wife? Maybe a 22 rim fire pistol would have been alright? When does a retarded cop ever say, “nothing to see here– it was just a little goody two-shoes gun” ?
It’s the pants-shitting-hysterics that matter, and it will always work on some people. I would therefore declare the article a success, assuming anyone but gun bloggers read it.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:09 am
“savage bullets”? That sounds racist to me.
February 26th, 2014 at 8:09 am
“If he has armor-piercing bullets (which is unlikely) then they actually were illegal, at least at the federal level.”
I don’t think so. You can buy the AP rounds for the 5.7x28mm on Gunbroker. And the CMP is currently selling 3006 AP Incendiary ammo on their website. See: http://estore.thecmp.org/store/catalog/catalog.aspx?pg=catalogList&cat=AMS
February 26th, 2014 at 9:51 am
Armor piercing ammunition for HANDGUNS is indeed illegal: 18 U.S.C. Section 922(a)(7). However, it has to meet one of the two following definitions:
(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or
(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.
February 26th, 2014 at 11:01 am
A modern 28 mm weapon would also be classified as a destructive device per the NFA.
February 26th, 2014 at 11:02 am
The AP version of the 5.7 (the 31 gr) is really hard to come by, the commercial ammo is all 40 gr lead.
February 26th, 2014 at 11:45 am
Broke my son of the PSH reflex while he was still an infink. He’d be in the shopping cart and start up, I’d level a dead fish stare at him and though he was preverbal, the “NO” was understood. I was not the guy with the crying baby in the cart.
So, copper solids are ok then? (And why not BeCu or brass?) because I have some of those Lehigh ass bullets (whether they’re goodass or badass would depend on which end you’re on) but those are made to turn into deadly little flowers, not penetrate stuff that’s not intended to be penetrated.
28mm handgun, heh.
February 26th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
MattW, thanks for the heads up on the handgun AP issue. It was new to me! I read the 18 U.S.C. Section 922(a)(7)section and see that it bans the manufacture, import or sale to civilians. It is none the less legal to own, I believe. FN’s ban on the SS190 (the infamous AP round) is a voluntary ban, not one mandated by the BATF. The SS190 is commonly sold among civilian owners of the PS-90 (just post a want to buy on the blog).
So if I purchase a Five-seveN pistol to go with my PS90 will I be crossing some imaginary line (assuming I have SS190 on hand)????
February 26th, 2014 at 12:15 pm
Mu, the common 5.7×28 fodder is a 40 grain Hornady V-Max bullet. This bullet has a lead core, a copper jacket, and a plastic tip.
February 26th, 2014 at 2:16 pm
The 5-7 is sold with a 20 round magazine.
The story reports 18 savage ones loaded (in the “clip” of course, because newspaper reporter).
So were two fired from a full mag at some time, or did the wife (or lawyer, or accused abuser) load only 18 because those last two are hard to push in there?
While they may have the player on possession, it might be argued that the rest of the story is incorrect. If I were the guy’s lawyer, I’d produce a receipt from an out of state storage locker and claim that was where the gun was ALWAYS kept.
And if I were the wife, I’d stay away from the guy who waves around the expensive gun during arguments, and divorce him ASAP.
February 26th, 2014 at 5:29 pm
Jim – you are correct, the law states it is illegal to “manufacture”, “import”, “sell”, or “deliver” AP ammo to civilians. It does not include possession, but IANAL and would still be cautious about purchasing or receiving true AP ammo that is designed specifically for a handgun.
As far as SS190 – it has an aluminum core and a small penetrator. I have read a few articles that cite that as the reason it is not defined as actual AP ammo and, thus, is not illegal to sell to civilians. But I don’t own anything that eats 5.7×28 so that’s the extent of my knowledge.
February 26th, 2014 at 6:00 pm
Mr Evilwrench, the definition includes projectile cores made of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, berylium copper, or depleted uranium (any combinations of these).
No it does not include solid copper bullets.
February 26th, 2014 at 8:24 pm
Any armor can be pierced with enough velocity.
After all, even a blowtorch will go right through metal as it’s velocity for the gas is over 20,000 fps.
Hence a plain lead bullet, driven past 2000 fps, will shoot through most soft vest. And a lowly FMJ 30-06 150gr slug, if impact velocity is around 4000 fps will shoot through any kind of vest now made.
The ban was supposed to stop special metals that don’t need that kind of velocity. Tungsten Carbide, hardened steel, berylium copper, depleted uranium, etc…
But I have no doubt using sabots most guns can shoot a round that will go through a vest.