While tacticool as hell, was there anything over the top in that? (Except for him deliberately shooting the hostage…unless “H” means hostile). I don’t think I saw anyone down range at least.
I guess there is a good chance for a stumble and an ND with all that footwork. Still a better choice to use simunition I suppose.
I think shooting with the mirror was a tad over the top. The rest? Well that is debatable depending on what your training goals are.
In this case its shooting with either hostages or in a crowd. Kind of extreme for a CC or OC carrier in my opinion. Mainly from the high probability that we would fail and hit an innocent, that being from lack of serious practicing.
If I had no life and was crazy dedicated to shooting then sure why not, but I have a life and am not that dedicated to shooting.
Did no one notice him shooting Mother Earth twice at the end of the video? I guess he REALLY hates Gaia and all that hippy commie environmentalism, to directly try to kill the planet. . .
I can see a use to the pole-dancing, I mean pole target, scenarios. Not for anyone who isn’t in Delta Force, GSG9, or HRT, or some other dedicated hostage rescue team, but useful for them.
I don’t know; besides shooting at the ground right in front of your feet, and doing the Annie Oakley thing with the mirror, and the stupid, dramatic Hollywood promo music, I don’t see a problem with it. It looks kind of fun.
It looks a lot like an IPSC match, except that the targets are moving, and I’ve always thought that “realistic” training should involve moving targets. Get the targets to shoot back using paint ball guns and you’re even closer.
Other than the exceptions above, how is this any more “stupid” than a Simunitions shoot-house?
I must be watching too much HBO. When I saw the still I thought: “How did the Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch get a pistol and why is somebody spraying him?”
I’ve been on the range on days when I wished someone would mist me with a bottle of water.
I know we’re supposed to believe it was some sort of irritant, because of the grimace…but if it really was an irritant, why not spray it from the original, marked container?
The “shoot the ground” is supposed to be an intimidation tactic. As in, “Step back! Step back! Or I’ll put a bullet in you!”
As opposed to BANG! (Thump) “Uh, he should have stepped back.”
Seriously, if it isn’t worth putting the bullet IN the bad guy, it isn’t worth sending teh bullet downrange. “Area denial by fire” is something you do with a _machine_gun_, preferrably a water cooled one — not a PISTOL. Range is too short, ammo supply too low, intimidation factor too low (the target doesn’t really know WHY you’re shooting the ground — it’s likely to read as incompetance or hesitation).
April 15th, 2014 at 9:25 pm
I hope no one is paying these guys for this “training.”
April 15th, 2014 at 9:48 pm
Bad gunner. Get off the couch!
April 15th, 2014 at 11:02 pm
Tacticool, uh, no. Tacticrap, yes.
April 16th, 2014 at 12:33 am
While tacticool as hell, was there anything over the top in that? (Except for him deliberately shooting the hostage…unless “H” means hostile). I don’t think I saw anyone down range at least.
I guess there is a good chance for a stumble and an ND with all that footwork. Still a better choice to use simunition I suppose.
April 16th, 2014 at 7:53 am
I think shooting with the mirror was a tad over the top. The rest? Well that is debatable depending on what your training goals are.
In this case its shooting with either hostages or in a crowd. Kind of extreme for a CC or OC carrier in my opinion. Mainly from the high probability that we would fail and hit an innocent, that being from lack of serious practicing.
If I had no life and was crazy dedicated to shooting then sure why not, but I have a life and am not that dedicated to shooting.
April 16th, 2014 at 9:25 am
The best part of shooting over the shoulder with a mirror is discharging your gun within inches or your ear.
April 16th, 2014 at 9:59 am
Now I’m all for training, and I guess if you have been to 50 other schools this might be interesting.
Chances of AD/ND?
Well big boy rules apply.
But at least, unlike another school, they don’t have you standing by the targets while others shoot.
April 16th, 2014 at 10:42 am
Uh why?
If I’m going to get my old uniforms out, put on body armor and all that gear, I may as well bring along a rifle.
April 16th, 2014 at 11:27 am
Surely this was a satire?
April 16th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
It isn’t a satire if the students paid for the course….
More of a fleecing of rubes, I’d say.
April 16th, 2014 at 12:52 pm
Did no one notice him shooting Mother Earth twice at the end of the video? I guess he REALLY hates Gaia and all that hippy commie environmentalism, to directly try to kill the planet. . .
I can see a use to the pole-dancing, I mean pole target, scenarios. Not for anyone who isn’t in Delta Force, GSG9, or HRT, or some other dedicated hostage rescue team, but useful for them.
April 16th, 2014 at 1:15 pm
I don’t know; besides shooting at the ground right in front of your feet, and doing the Annie Oakley thing with the mirror, and the stupid, dramatic Hollywood promo music, I don’t see a problem with it. It looks kind of fun.
It looks a lot like an IPSC match, except that the targets are moving, and I’ve always thought that “realistic” training should involve moving targets. Get the targets to shoot back using paint ball guns and you’re even closer.
Other than the exceptions above, how is this any more “stupid” than a Simunitions shoot-house?
Depends on your goals I guess.
April 16th, 2014 at 2:24 pm
I must be watching too much HBO. When I saw the still I thought: “How did the Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch get a pistol and why is somebody spraying him?”
April 16th, 2014 at 4:03 pm
Leave Annie Oakley alone!
April 16th, 2014 at 4:35 pm
I’ve been on the range on days when I wished someone would mist me with a bottle of water.
I know we’re supposed to believe it was some sort of irritant, because of the grimace…but if it really was an irritant, why not spray it from the original, marked container?
Poser.
April 16th, 2014 at 7:46 pm
I have seen the shoot into the ground maneuver in a couple of these vids…I think it may be intentional.
April 17th, 2014 at 3:31 pm
Is this tactical derp?
April 18th, 2014 at 4:18 pm
The “shoot the ground” is supposed to be an intimidation tactic. As in, “Step back! Step back! Or I’ll put a bullet in you!”
As opposed to BANG! (Thump) “Uh, he should have stepped back.”
Seriously, if it isn’t worth putting the bullet IN the bad guy, it isn’t worth sending teh bullet downrange. “Area denial by fire” is something you do with a _machine_gun_, preferrably a water cooled one — not a PISTOL. Range is too short, ammo supply too low, intimidation factor too low (the target doesn’t really know WHY you’re shooting the ground — it’s likely to read as incompetance or hesitation).