OC nonsense a false flag?
It’s been theorized before as most of us don’t think our own are this stupid. But maybe some of us are.
Remember, I do this to entertain me, not you.
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June 29th, 2014 at 5:52 pm
Once upon a time, it was a common thing to see—and a common sense thing to do—to carry your arms and carry them openly. One day, the processes began to make such activities both illegal and shameful, and most people bowed their heads and submitted. Whether these people in question are runway models or escapees from the movie Freaks, they have the right to carry their arms—and openly. No one has been hurt, except overly sensitive crybabies. What are you advocating here by criticizing people for going about their business according to the letter of the law and civil liberties as granted and protected by the Constitution? We’ve seen what “hope and change” did for the Liberal gun grabbers: nothing. And we’ve seen what equal amounts of sugar and unicorn farts have done for the pro gunners: a stalemate on rights. We stand our ground, they continue to take. We take back, they continue to take away again. Time to start living our 2nd A rights. All of them. Not just some of them.
June 29th, 2014 at 6:39 pm
What are you advocating here by criticizing people for going about their business according to the letter of the law and civil liberties as granted and protected by the Constitution?
Being an obnoxious jerk is not illegal, and it shouldn’t be. First Amendment, you know.
Of course, the First Amendment applies just as equally to those of us who call jerks out for being jerks. So calling someone a jerk doesn’t affect their 1A rights; the First Amendment is not involved in such cases.
The same logic applies to someone being a jerk with their guns – questioning their motives does not affect 2A issues.
These guys – and their apologists – are JERKS.
At best.
June 29th, 2014 at 8:27 pm
There are some areas where open carry is common, and has been since the area was first settled. Lake of the Ozarks, MO is an example.
June 29th, 2014 at 8:52 pm
Irony…
https://www.saysuncle.com/2014/06/12/dont-tell-me-to-attention-whore-the-way-you-do/#comments
I notice the Anti open carriers weren’t too vocal on this one..
June 29th, 2014 at 10:38 pm
I OC. But yea, some of us are awfully stupid.
Embrey comes to mind.
June 29th, 2014 at 10:56 pm
libertarian
v.
One who believes and advocates that an individual is free to live his life as he sees fit, as long as he does not harm or infringe the freedom of others to do the same.
By that definition, government should not make or define laws or rules or rights, except to limit itself.
And in the purest sense, that’s what the second amendment does; it precludes government from interfering with my right, and yours, to possess and use the means to defend my freedom from other individuals, and more importantly from government itself.
It’s not a rule that you must possess and use those means, and it’s not a manifesto of required behavior or activism, which is what some in the OC movement seem to believe.
And while there’s no law or rule that you must be or not be a dick about it while you do or do not embrace this freedom or any other, it is implied in the definition above. If you’re being a dick, you are infringing the rights and feedoms of others to go about their business unfettered, unthreatened, and un coerced.
Want to be libertarian? Good. Don’t be a dick.
June 30th, 2014 at 1:05 pm
I don’t think this a False Flag Op. Just Rampant Stupidity.
June 30th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
If you’re being a dick, you are infringing the rights and feedoms of others to go about their business unfettered, unthreatened, and un coerced.
No. Just “being a dick” infringes nobody’s rights. Infringing someone’s rights infringes someone’s rights.
If I spout off and call JTC an asshole for typing that comment, I’m being a dick… but I have not infringed his rights. Lefties don’t violate any of our rights when they make dick jokes about gun owners. Hell, if that was all they ever did, wouldn’t that be just great?
It doesn’t matter what you do, someone somewhere is going to think it’s dickish behavior… the point of liberty is that you need not give a damn about those opinions. Being a dick is just being a dick.
That said, I agree with JTC’s overall point. There’s a good case to be made that these dicks in Ohio did more than just “be who they could be”, that they did infringe on the rights of others.
June 30th, 2014 at 3:52 pm
MrSatyr,
OC of *long guns* on the person for immediate use in defense has *never* been “normal” in this country.
Outside of active ongoing hostilities with local Indians, which would be more or less active unorganized militia duty, rifles and shotguns stayed in the closet or maybe in the saddle scabbard (today that’s the trunk).
June 30th, 2014 at 4:59 pm
seerak,
There’s being a dick, and there’s being a dick in the context of this article, which is what I was referencing. And these particular dicks were infringing others’ rights to the point that they put themselves in serious danger of violent repercussions, just as the Chipotle dicks did.
As for being a regular dick, a good libertarian tries to a reasonable degree not to be one, because he understands that could presage a response from someone being an irregular dick…civility and politeness are powerful methods of maintaining a society without the need for government control and interference in any of its myriad iterations.
Near the end of your comment you reveal that you did indeed understand the type of dick I was referencing, and now maybe you understand that I was also advocating for a libertarian style of self-governance that will in nearly all instances prevent a dick from becoming a real dick, if ya know what I mean. 🙂
June 30th, 2014 at 7:01 pm
4.Paul Kisling Says:
June 29th, 2014 at 8:52 pm
Irony…
https://www.saysuncle.com/2014/06/12/dont-tell-me-to-attention-whore-the-way-you-do/#comments
I notice the Anti open carriers weren’t too vocal on this one..
Sorry — not seeing the irony. The ATF has already ruled on the item in question, including when it is used as a shoulder stock.
Now, if proponants of these were grouping up, and running around Lowes, WalMart, and McDonalds, posing while holding them in various ready positions, while apparantly loaded, the “anti open carriers” would call them out just as quickly as they did Leonard Embody or the asshats in OCT.
I do love how anyone who says that calling out a FAILED tactic, that UNIVERSALLY BACKFIRES, results in companies that never gave a damn as long as you were following the law making anti-carry statements, and has politicians who previously had indicated they would support legal Open Carry backing away from it, is somehow “anti open carry”.
No, I’m fully for Open Carry being legal in all 50 states, and in every city in America. What I am is “anti-dumbass running around intimidating people and giving our political enemies FREE propaganda photos.“
June 30th, 2014 at 8:18 pm
Geokyt the ATF ruling is not the point. The point is that certain people say it is okay to scare people to illustrate bad laws but only if they support the reason for doing it.(Methods do not seem to matter seeing that these people think they will terrify the ATF; which is an incredibility stupid thing to envision doing.)
Baiting the ATF is good but baiting the local cops is bad????
July 2nd, 2014 at 2:40 pm
But it’s not actually “baiting the ATF”, nor is it “scaring people to illustrate bad laws”.
ATF was asked (before a single one was sold), ATF answered. Using them in that fashion is 100% legal, and ATF already knows that. Chuckleheads who think they are “poking the ATF” do get called out as either misinformed or fools (depending on particulars) in most discussions on these things I have seen.
Nor do I see people taking their “arm brace equipped pistols” and ruinning around publically accessable stores forcing those venues to become part of their political protest, even when it interferes with their core business.
Thirdly, having a licensed FFL/SOT manufacturer “push the limits” of federal gun laws, and doing so by submitting samples to the ATF in advance isn’t at all the same behavior, either. Hell, that’s how Vollmer and T/C * both got ATF to back way off their previously overbearing opinions.
* (Vollmer with “once a machinegun, always a machinegun” and T/C with “turning a ‘pistol’ into a ‘rifle’ with a long barrel and stock, and then back to a ‘pistol’ is an unregistered SBR”.)