They’ve been doing this for years
ATF using onerous regs to shut down gun dealers? Even those with a 99.9% rate of filling out paper work correctly.
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September 22nd, 2014 at 12:50 pm
I know Doug – the gun dealer they highlight in the story. SSG Tactical is a solid firm, and has grown from the days Doug was just an FFL doing part-time work from friend’s shop, to the current days where he is becoming a powerhouse dealer in the NoVA area and beyond.
They are a professional outfit, and don’t play games. He’s got a few 4473’s with my name on it.
If the ATF is giving him crap, they are overstepping bounds. Because I remember Doug telling me to come back with a DL, when I thought I’d left mine home by accident. And he knew me from prior sales. Turns out I had it all along, but you get the idea. He was a stickler for the required details.
September 22nd, 2014 at 1:09 pm
Notable that BATF can’t account for 99.9% of its guns, laptops, ID cards, or vehicles. It is aggravating to be held to a standard two orders of magnitude greater than the regulator’s own standard.
September 22nd, 2014 at 4:58 pm
The majority of the violations were on the 4473 and included incorrect information on ethnicity, wrong dates and leaving a box empty when the city and county go by the same name
Wait a minute.
How could ATF know the ethnicity was “incorrect”?
(The two “ethnicity” options are “hispanic/latino” and “not hispanic/latino”.
Unless the ATF has decided that it both knows better than the filler-out of the form and that the gun dealer is supposed to be able to somehow tell, I am baffled by the very idea of that being “incorrect”.)
September 22nd, 2014 at 5:43 pm
What I love is that one of the MAJOR issues with 4473 “errors” is that, in Virginia, ATF insists that you LIE on the form, or they’ll call it an “error”.
You see, in Virginia, you can live in a city, or you can live in a county. But there are NO “cities” that are located within “counties” at all. So, “Virginia Beach” is a city (created when the entire county of Princess Anne incorporated as a city), and there is no county associated with it. You can even have a city that is entirely located WITHIN a county, and that city is NOT in or part of that county — Charlottesville is entirely surrounded by Albemarle County, but is not part of it at all.
Yet, ATF insists that you fill out BOTH blocks regardless, even though only one OR the other can possibly be applicable to a Virginia address.
Writing “Charlottesville, Albemarle County” is simply false — you’re EITHER in Albemarle County, OR Charlottesville. Period.
Worse, we have things like Richmond (capitol city of Virginia) and Richmond County (founded 40+ years before the city was) — they aren’t even in the same GEOLOGICAL area (two MAJOR rivers between them, Richmond is in the Piedmont, whilst Richmond County is on the Northern Neck in the Tidewater region, 50 miles northeast of the city).
By insisting that everyone duplicate the city or county name in each block for Virginia addresses, ATF is actually LOSING accuracy — 101 Main Street, Richmond, Richmond, VA could refer to two totally different addresses — one in the middle of a major urban area, and the other out in the country, over an hour away.
September 22nd, 2014 at 5:45 pm
Keep in mind, Virginia has been set up with this distinction since 1871, so it’s not like this is a recent development intended to fool the ATF.