I don’t buy that, just like I don’t buy that more guns = more crime. Causality requires correlation, and I see no correlation between gun ownership and crime. Gun ownership goes up every year (more guns are sold in America than are destroyed), yet crime goes up AND down.
There is just no correlation between gun ownership and crime.
That’s why I prefer “more guns /= more crime”, it avoids overstating the case and more directly aligns with the whole point of tracking the two together, long term mind you, it is trends not snapshots that matter.
The affirmative claim by the anti-rights folks is that it is the presence and easy access to guns that *causes* increased crime, that “fewer guns = less crime.” The burden is thus on them to show evidence to support that claim.
Correlation does not prove causation, but lack of correlation does disprove causation. Evidence that “more guns” does not correlate with “increased crime” absolutely puts the lie to that affirmative claim by the anti-rights folks.
Which is why the “more guns = less crime” claim is an unnecessary overstatement that introduces an angle for anti-rights folks to attack as it puts us in the position of having to defend an affirmative claim.
To hell with the collective guilt and collective punishment inherent in the entire argument of guns and crime.
I don’t commit crimes with my guns. So if there is crime being committed with guns, arrest, prosecute, convict and imprison those who are committing crimes with their guns and stop bothering me about what others are doing.
Collective punishment is a crime against humanity, as noted by international courts at least as far back as Nuremberg.
I ain’t taking the fall for some criminal’s bad behavior, and they can’t make me.
November 11th, 2014 at 8:04 am
I don’t buy that, just like I don’t buy that more guns = more crime. Causality requires correlation, and I see no correlation between gun ownership and crime. Gun ownership goes up every year (more guns are sold in America than are destroyed), yet crime goes up AND down.
There is just no correlation between gun ownership and crime.
November 11th, 2014 at 1:47 pm
divemedic,
That’s why I prefer “more guns /= more crime”, it avoids overstating the case and more directly aligns with the whole point of tracking the two together, long term mind you, it is trends not snapshots that matter.
The affirmative claim by the anti-rights folks is that it is the presence and easy access to guns that *causes* increased crime, that “fewer guns = less crime.” The burden is thus on them to show evidence to support that claim.
Correlation does not prove causation, but lack of correlation does disprove causation. Evidence that “more guns” does not correlate with “increased crime” absolutely puts the lie to that affirmative claim by the anti-rights folks.
Which is why the “more guns = less crime” claim is an unnecessary overstatement that introduces an angle for anti-rights folks to attack as it puts us in the position of having to defend an affirmative claim.
November 11th, 2014 at 4:43 pm
To hell with the collective guilt and collective punishment inherent in the entire argument of guns and crime.
I don’t commit crimes with my guns. So if there is crime being committed with guns, arrest, prosecute, convict and imprison those who are committing crimes with their guns and stop bothering me about what others are doing.
Collective punishment is a crime against humanity, as noted by international courts at least as far back as Nuremberg.
I ain’t taking the fall for some criminal’s bad behavior, and they can’t make me.