Each shot she shot had recoil, muzzle blast and an ejected case that went the same distance.
What to you would indicate a squib?
The round that didn’t fire didn’t make any noise.
We should have been able to hear a primer pop but I wasn’t there so I can’t say for sure.
It looks like she ejected the round into her hand. If it didn’t have a bullet attached to it, that’s more than just a RED FLAG!
Easy to say “double charge”, but the coincidence of failure-to-fire immediately followed by a KaBOOM is too significant to be ignored.
Sure, there should have been a pop. Obvious in a handgun, not so obvious in a long-gun. The thing is, there isn’t enough information available from the video to know for sure.
Which is why shooting sport competition rules usually disallow video testimony when protesting a ruling of Match DQ, etc.
Been there, done that … it sucks. And it’s expensive.
It is a bit of a stretch to assume you’d hear a primer pop in an enclosed action with no open path to the atmosphere in that recording while regular gunfire is occurring in front of the afflicted shooter. A squib that leaves a bullet in the bore will, by definition, be vewy vewy quiet. Try it. I mean go ahead and try it. Why not?
Also please read this first-hand account of a similar situation that didn’t result in a kaboom and was not the result of a squib.
But I’d LOVE the explanation of how a squid round not only didn’t sound like a PUFF, didn’t smoke out the ejection port, but also appears to have managed to eject the brass… in a long stroke piston rifle! -Think about what has to happen to make that eject-
I’m saying not only was is overcharge, but the gun was actually broken before she fired that last round. She’s doesn’t have big frame or great form, but she takes a lot of recoil on the round before it breaks
– also not indicative of a squib. I’ve had four or five now, they don’t sound right, and they don’t feel right.
KM is not correct. Lyle is. I’ve been right next to my brother when he had a squib. I heard… nothing. These were loads that he handloaded that he forgot to put powder in.
It looks like she is working the bolt right before it blows.
The other Steve: Hard to see but I think she ejected the brass, not the gun.
Unfortunately there are no comments on YouTube from the people involved. Here’s what happened from what we can actually see;
Hammer drops without launching a bullet. The obviously inexperienced shooter cycles the action, apparently removing a cartridge case, but I can’t actually see a case. There was possibly no powder in that cartridge, or thbe powder didn’t ignite. That would have left the primer alone, which is enough to drive the bullet out into the bore, leaving it in the bore. She chambers another round, fires it into the obstructed bore, and Kaboom.
Alternatively, as she eases the charging handle forward, rather than letting it run forward totally on its spring pressure as an experienced shooter would have done, the bolt was left out of battery. the problems with that theory are that 1) the Garand isn’t supposed to fire out of battery because of the firing pin tail being blocked against the bridge inside the receiver (but that safety measure isn’t always set up right) and 2) I’m not sure a firing out of battery, which would have to be only slightly out of battery in this case, i.e. the bolt would be at least partially locked, would blow the gun to bits like that.
Someone mentioned a double charge, which is not totally impossible, but highly unlikely. That would have to be the result of making reduced handloads using faster burning, magnum pistol powder, which is very common in cast bullet loads. I do that myself for a lever action Winchester However; those are reduced loads for cast bullets, which would not cycle the action reliably if AT ALL. Normal ’06 loads use powders that take up enough room in the case that a double charge is impossible– It would over-flow all over the place and you’d dump the case and start over. Several ’06 loads are compressed charges, so there’s no way to overcharge them by more than a fraction of a grain.
Another possibility is that she was using rounds from more than one lot of handloads, and the last one was fully charged with pistol powder, i.e. a “regular” charge volume (a full case or very nearly so) with the totally wrong powder. The sequence though strongly suggests a squib.
The last possibility, I suppose, is that the failure to fire was a complete dud, a primer failure or a light strike, and then the gun simply let go on the next shot from some random flaw in the steel while firing a standard pressure load. It happens.
November 17th, 2014 at 9:07 pm
Yup.
November 17th, 2014 at 9:57 pm
Hope she was ok. That didn’t look like fun.
November 17th, 2014 at 9:59 pm
I thought this looked familiar:
Kaboom
November 17th, 2014 at 10:36 pm
First saw this about a year ago, and that’s it
November 18th, 2014 at 1:30 am
Each shot she shot had recoil, muzzle blast and an ejected case that went the same distance.
What to you would indicate a squib?
The round that didn’t fire didn’t make any noise.
We should have been able to hear a primer pop but I wasn’t there so I can’t say for sure.
It looks like she ejected the round into her hand. If it didn’t have a bullet attached to it, that’s more than just a RED FLAG!
November 18th, 2014 at 2:04 am
KM is correct. Not a squib. My money would be on double charge or so.
November 18th, 2014 at 3:30 am
Easy to say “double charge”, but the coincidence of failure-to-fire immediately followed by a KaBOOM is too significant to be ignored.
Sure, there should have been a pop. Obvious in a handgun, not so obvious in a long-gun. The thing is, there isn’t enough information available from the video to know for sure.
Which is why shooting sport competition rules usually disallow video testimony when protesting a ruling of Match DQ, etc.
Been there, done that … it sucks. And it’s expensive.
November 18th, 2014 at 1:57 pm
It is a bit of a stretch to assume you’d hear a primer pop in an enclosed action with no open path to the atmosphere in that recording while regular gunfire is occurring in front of the afflicted shooter. A squib that leaves a bullet in the bore will, by definition, be vewy vewy quiet. Try it. I mean go ahead and try it. Why not?
Also please read this first-hand account of a similar situation that didn’t result in a kaboom and was not the result of a squib.
November 18th, 2014 at 2:55 pm
“This is not going to end well”, was my thought right after she checked the action and re-shouldered, and it was correct.
November 18th, 2014 at 3:08 pm
Well, good point Lyle…
But I’d LOVE the explanation of how a squid round not only didn’t sound like a PUFF, didn’t smoke out the ejection port, but also appears to have managed to eject the brass… in a long stroke piston rifle! -Think about what has to happen to make that eject-
I’m saying not only was is overcharge, but the gun was actually broken before she fired that last round. She’s doesn’t have big frame or great form, but she takes a lot of recoil on the round before it breaks
– also not indicative of a squib. I’ve had four or five now, they don’t sound right, and they don’t feel right.
November 18th, 2014 at 4:09 pm
KM is not correct. Lyle is. I’ve been right next to my brother when he had a squib. I heard… nothing. These were loads that he handloaded that he forgot to put powder in.
It looks like she is working the bolt right before it blows.
The other Steve: Hard to see but I think she ejected the brass, not the gun.
November 18th, 2014 at 5:17 pm
Unfortunately there are no comments on YouTube from the people involved. Here’s what happened from what we can actually see;
Hammer drops without launching a bullet. The obviously inexperienced shooter cycles the action, apparently removing a cartridge case, but I can’t actually see a case. There was possibly no powder in that cartridge, or thbe powder didn’t ignite. That would have left the primer alone, which is enough to drive the bullet out into the bore, leaving it in the bore. She chambers another round, fires it into the obstructed bore, and Kaboom.
Alternatively, as she eases the charging handle forward, rather than letting it run forward totally on its spring pressure as an experienced shooter would have done, the bolt was left out of battery. the problems with that theory are that 1) the Garand isn’t supposed to fire out of battery because of the firing pin tail being blocked against the bridge inside the receiver (but that safety measure isn’t always set up right) and 2) I’m not sure a firing out of battery, which would have to be only slightly out of battery in this case, i.e. the bolt would be at least partially locked, would blow the gun to bits like that.
Someone mentioned a double charge, which is not totally impossible, but highly unlikely. That would have to be the result of making reduced handloads using faster burning, magnum pistol powder, which is very common in cast bullet loads. I do that myself for a lever action Winchester However; those are reduced loads for cast bullets, which would not cycle the action reliably if AT ALL. Normal ’06 loads use powders that take up enough room in the case that a double charge is impossible– It would over-flow all over the place and you’d dump the case and start over. Several ’06 loads are compressed charges, so there’s no way to overcharge them by more than a fraction of a grain.
Another possibility is that she was using rounds from more than one lot of handloads, and the last one was fully charged with pistol powder, i.e. a “regular” charge volume (a full case or very nearly so) with the totally wrong powder. The sequence though strongly suggests a squib.
The last possibility, I suppose, is that the failure to fire was a complete dud, a primer failure or a light strike, and then the gun simply let go on the next shot from some random flaw in the steel while firing a standard pressure load. It happens.
November 18th, 2014 at 7:35 pm
Those are some amazing eyes you have there because I don’t see 1/2 the things you are sure you saw. I don’t see her racking and removing brass.