It’s not a myth. It can cause an inertia feed. I had this problem with two different 1911 pistols. Putting too much lube on the barrel hood caused oil to dribble down into the mag well and reduce the friction between the cartridge and feed lips. As a result, when the gun moved back during recoil the cartridge didn’t have enough friction to hold it in place and got spat out of the magazine and into the chamber. When the slide came forward it didn’t have the momentum to snap the extractor over the case rim and the gun stopped up. Took me forever to figure out what was going on and once I backed off the lube a little bit the problem went completely away.
Not sure what they’ve proved. The reason I’ve heard for avoiding “over lubrication” was all about dust and dirt collecting over time. If that’s the myth they wanted to disprove, their experiment didn’t even address it.
I don’t believe I’ve heard anyone say that your gun will fail to function if over lubed, due to nothing but the presence of the lube. Well not until Michael here. Oil in your magazine and all over the ammo is probably a pretty bad idea.
Wouldn’t the test be to carry a dry gun and an oily gun in a sand storm for a day or two, or roll around in some dust, and then see which one is more likely to function?
After they poured the oil into the container, they mentioned that dust was being attracted to the weapons. How much dust can get onto the piece in two minutes? I would have been more impressed if they had thrown a fistful of sand into the bucket before performing the “test”.
Has Larry Vickers been hanging out with Chuck Yeager or something? The sheer unfounded arrogance there, while proving absolutely nothing since there was no chance for sand and grit to accumulate into an abrasive sludge in the gun, is mind boggling.
when either one of them had spent 40 years as a mechanical engineer or over 30 years as a practicing master gunsmith like me then I’ll listen to whatever BS they’ve got the spread but for now, go sit down and shut up.
DumbA$$
a) those fat asses need some cardio
b) i love how a paunchy white dude has adopted black vernacular. “straight up!” “alright, dawg!”
c) experiment was dumb.
To be fair, the term “attracts dust and dirt” has been used for generations. The “A word” is the problem, and a lot of manufacturers’ owner’s manuals, for all kinds of mechanical thingies, still contain the “A word” when talking about lubrication.
No, Skippy, oil does not act like a magnet or a vacuum cleaner, sucking dirt in from a distance via some kind of magic “oil gravity”. Maybe those guys though that someone actually believed that it did, but in that case all they had to do was pour out some oil and note that the dirt on the ground underneath wasn’t being levitated up and into the oil.
The dirt has to actually touch the oil of course, and then it will stay there, and catch more, and build up as new dust comes in contact with the oily dust.
I suppose you COULD make some oil actually attract dust using static electricity, if’n you simply had to make a pointless point.
When I inherited my dad’s original Ruger MkI from 1955, the first thing I did was search up the disassembly and reassembly instructions. Those things are perverse. Then I disassembled it. That poor pistol was full of something best described as snot. It was some kind of grease with a greenish color, sufficient to interfere with the action, but there was no dust or filth evident. I cleaned it out. That pistol is the essence of a beautiful machine, now.
December 14th, 2014 at 2:06 pm
It’s not a myth. It can cause an inertia feed. I had this problem with two different 1911 pistols. Putting too much lube on the barrel hood caused oil to dribble down into the mag well and reduce the friction between the cartridge and feed lips. As a result, when the gun moved back during recoil the cartridge didn’t have enough friction to hold it in place and got spat out of the magazine and into the chamber. When the slide came forward it didn’t have the momentum to snap the extractor over the case rim and the gun stopped up. Took me forever to figure out what was going on and once I backed off the lube a little bit the problem went completely away.
December 14th, 2014 at 2:40 pm
Not sure what they’ve proved. The reason I’ve heard for avoiding “over lubrication” was all about dust and dirt collecting over time. If that’s the myth they wanted to disprove, their experiment didn’t even address it.
I don’t believe I’ve heard anyone say that your gun will fail to function if over lubed, due to nothing but the presence of the lube. Well not until Michael here. Oil in your magazine and all over the ammo is probably a pretty bad idea.
Wouldn’t the test be to carry a dry gun and an oily gun in a sand storm for a day or two, or roll around in some dust, and then see which one is more likely to function?
December 14th, 2014 at 7:56 pm
After they poured the oil into the container, they mentioned that dust was being attracted to the weapons. How much dust can get onto the piece in two minutes? I would have been more impressed if they had thrown a fistful of sand into the bucket before performing the “test”.
December 15th, 2014 at 12:14 pm
Has Larry Vickers been hanging out with Chuck Yeager or something? The sheer unfounded arrogance there, while proving absolutely nothing since there was no chance for sand and grit to accumulate into an abrasive sludge in the gun, is mind boggling.
December 15th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
when either one of them had spent 40 years as a mechanical engineer or over 30 years as a practicing master gunsmith like me then I’ll listen to whatever BS they’ve got the spread but for now, go sit down and shut up.
DumbA$$
December 15th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
a) those fat asses need some cardio
b) i love how a paunchy white dude has adopted black vernacular. “straight up!” “alright, dawg!”
c) experiment was dumb.
December 15th, 2014 at 5:31 pm
Nothing like the feeling of Hot Oil Searing ones face to let you know you are alive..
December 15th, 2014 at 6:23 pm
To be fair, the term “attracts dust and dirt” has been used for generations. The “A word” is the problem, and a lot of manufacturers’ owner’s manuals, for all kinds of mechanical thingies, still contain the “A word” when talking about lubrication.
No, Skippy, oil does not act like a magnet or a vacuum cleaner, sucking dirt in from a distance via some kind of magic “oil gravity”. Maybe those guys though that someone actually believed that it did, but in that case all they had to do was pour out some oil and note that the dirt on the ground underneath wasn’t being levitated up and into the oil.
The dirt has to actually touch the oil of course, and then it will stay there, and catch more, and build up as new dust comes in contact with the oily dust.
I suppose you COULD make some oil actually attract dust using static electricity, if’n you simply had to make a pointless point.
December 18th, 2014 at 3:51 pm
When I inherited my dad’s original Ruger MkI from 1955, the first thing I did was search up the disassembly and reassembly instructions. Those things are perverse. Then I disassembled it. That poor pistol was full of something best described as snot. It was some kind of grease with a greenish color, sufficient to interfere with the action, but there was no dust or filth evident. I cleaned it out. That pistol is the essence of a beautiful machine, now.