Define high-powered?
Should Indiana deer hunters be allowed to use high-powered rifles? I was rather surprised by what was banned. Other states allow those calibers without issue.
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December 17th, 2014 at 2:55 pm
Washington State has areas that are “shotgun only”. I am not exactly up on the issue but as I understand it the restriction is based on population density.
December 17th, 2014 at 3:37 pm
So a Thompson Contender pistol in .308 is safe, but a bolt action rifle in the same cartridge is not safe?
http://www.eregulations.com/indiana/hunting/deer-regulations/
Yea, some fudds are being useful idiots again.
December 17th, 2014 at 3:49 pm
Wow, I did not know this! .243, .308 and .30-06 are some of the most popular deer calibers in the country. Never thought a state actually banned them for deer! Personally I prefer a .264 caliber (6.5mm) but .308 is my second choice and I wouldn’t think twice about showing up in any state during whitetail season for rifle with either caliber.
December 17th, 2014 at 4:03 pm
If this passes, I’ll be using my hand me down 8mm Mauser that my grandfather sporterized to honor him as my main hunting buddy and/or an AR with supersonic 300blk. The past two years I used a Ruger 77/44. If it doesn’t, I may stick with that or move to a 300blk AR pistol (just can’t justify the cost of a .458 SOCOM/.450 Bushmaster upper and reloading equipment though as much as I want to AR hunt)
Remember deer hunting is the only one that has a caliber restriction (plus there are ok for deer in a pistol as Kristophr points out), and while I see the flat land over shooting issue of all but southern Indiana, I think it will be fine. Supposedly, the restrictions were put into place not due to safety concerns but over harvesting.
December 17th, 2014 at 4:21 pm
They say it would give hunters an unfair advantage over their prey and lead to more deer getting killed
Kind of the obvious fucking point of having a deer season isn’t it?
December 17th, 2014 at 4:25 pm
high-powered is any rifle or rifle looking object.
I had wrotten, ” any rifle not powered by rubber bands”, but then I realized someone would find a link with a report about a kid getting his eye shot out by a high-powered rubber band gun.
I also recall watching Shep Smith hyperventilate about a guy running around Cleveland with a “high-powered rifle”, it turned out to be a BB gun.
I can’t believe .243 is on that list.
gun banners: Gotta Ban Something.
I personally want half the GFW states to ban hollow point (against the Geneva Convention ammo!!!!!) and the other half to ban ball (Armor-Piercing Cop-Killing Ammo!!!!!!!).
That would be funny.
You know, cuz I don’t live there.
December 17th, 2014 at 4:30 pm
Holy moly, 30-30 is on that list.
That’s messed up.
I bet more deer have been killed by 30-30 in the last 100 years than by clubs in the previous coupla million.
December 17th, 2014 at 6:10 pm
The job of rule-makers is to make rules. There would be no use having them around if they weren’t constantly making rules. They must justify their pathetic existence. That is the one and only point, therefore to get exited and argue about the details of the rules is to miss the point entirely.
December 17th, 2014 at 8:45 pm
Why is 45 Long Colt legal but not 45 ACP?
December 17th, 2014 at 11:35 pm
They say it would give hunters an unfair advantage over their prey and lead to more deer getting killed
Kind of the obvious fucking point of having a deer season isn’t it?
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Not only that, but how is a hunter going to bag his prey if he dos’nt have a advantage over it? And what’s a “unfair” advantage? Hell, Bambi has a “unfair” advantage over me! He can run faster than I can.
December 17th, 2014 at 11:42 pm
Jim W, I would say both bullet weight and foot pounds of muzzle energy. In Illinois, it’s a minimum of 500 ft.lbs. for deer.
Similar to Indiana, for deer: only shotgun slugs; muzzleloaders .44 caliber or over; and pistols .30 caliber or over; with minimum bullet weight requirements.
There are different rules for other animals and hunting seasons. Rifles are allowed for varmints.
Indiana has always been a very sensible state when it comes to gun rights. I would give them the benefit of the doubt on these rules.
December 17th, 2014 at 11:59 pm
My guess is that that there are a lot of guys who never touch a gun all year except during deer season. Since you can’t sort them out, you make rules for a clean kill and a bullet that won’t kill someone in the next county when they miss.
December 18th, 2014 at 12:17 am
Lyle, I think it was the Roman historian, Tacitus, who observed, “the more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.”
December 18th, 2014 at 8:51 am
The article sates that crossbows are legal to hunt deer in Indiana. In other states crossbows are taboo.
Some states even allow dogs. A few states (MS & LA) allow modern rifle cartridges in single shot rifles during muzzle loading season if said cartridge (.45-70, .38-55, etc…) is 100 years old or older and was originally a black powder cartridge.
Using rifles to hunt deer isn’t a problem anywhere else. It shouldn’t be a problem in Indiana, either.
December 18th, 2014 at 10:37 am
One should consider that Indiana is a very narrow state, just look at a map! As a resident of Ohio I don’t want to catch any strays when those Hoosiers are aiming east.
Maybe they should only outlaw those calibers for east/west shots. After all, the state is quite tall.
December 18th, 2014 at 12:40 pm
Is this a set up for a general ban on rifle calibers since ” you don’t NEED that ammo to hunt deer”?
December 18th, 2014 at 1:17 pm
I certainly hope this passes. I want to use my .308. I believe it was only within the past decade that “pistol caliber carbines” were legalized for deer hunting here in Indiana. The allowed cartridges are based on a minimum diameter, and a minimum and maximum case length.
When I was a teenager, the rule was much simpler: other than muzzle loaders, no rifled barrels were allowed for a long gun at all. They changed that when rifled-barrel shotguns became popular. Cross-bows were only OK’d in the past few years also. So, it’s a lot better than it was…
December 18th, 2014 at 1:33 pm
Ohio just started allowing straight walled pistol rounds this year. So your .357 or .44 Mag Henry is fine.
Before that, it was shotgun or muzzleloader only.
Not sure why the law is like this in Ohio. Maybe out of concern for the deer population way back when. But, they breed almost as bad as rats, so despite raising the limit (up to 3 does and 1 buck in my county) the population of deer continues to explode.
December 19th, 2014 at 9:58 pm
We live in Illinois the son and I both use modern muzzleloaders when we hunt open fields shotguns in the woods.
December 20th, 2014 at 8:48 am
I’d love to be treated as a responsible adult and clear to take a deer with whatever would kill it cleanly, rather than being stuck with shotgun slugs or (cross)bow, or have to resort to wildcat rounds like .358 Hoosier. I do have 12 & 16 ga shotguns, and cross and compound bows, but what the absolute fuck? If I can’t hit what I’m aiming at, that’s it’s own issue. We have been kind of chipping away at the edges of the requirements, but it’s been slow.