ATF kills SB15
Once again rescinding a prior ruling, ATF says shouldering a brace redesigns something and is a no no
Update: The market has spoken.
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January 16th, 2015 at 8:06 pm
Looks like they are TRYING to make a bunch of people outlaws and then go arrest them for buying something that was legal not months earlier.
January 16th, 2015 at 9:01 pm
What if the user has really short stubby arms or even armless, does somehow managing an average handgun between the shoulder and cheek make it a short barreled rifle?
January 16th, 2015 at 9:03 pm
How does this “kill” the SB15? I read the letter. It seems clearly to state that it revokes any letters which implied that using the SB15 as a shoulder stock was okey-dokey. It also goes into clearly restating the original intent, as stated by SIG.
I guess I’m missing the part where ATF has stated that anyone purchasing one of these must get a tax stamp, or where SIG has announced that it’s been discontinued. In fact:
So, where’s the “kill” part?
January 16th, 2015 at 11:16 pm
Not exactly a huge shock. I stated it would end this way as soon as I saw the ridiculous things. Oh and here is what you are looking for Jed.
ATF has previously determined that attaching the brace to a firearm does not alter the classification of the firearm or subject the firearm to National Firearms Act (NFA) control. However, this classification is based upon the use of the device as designed. When the device is redesigned for use as a shoulder stock on a handgun with a rifled barrel under 16 inches in length, the firearm is properly classified as a firearm under the NFA.
January 17th, 2015 at 10:31 am
So if I use two hands to fire a pistol, am I suddenly “redesigning” the pistol in question, thereby making it an AOW?
Using something for a different purpose than what the designer intended is not “redesigning” anything. I may be re-purposing it, but I am not altering, changing, or modifying the item itself.
But it is the BATFE, and they do not give a shit about what words actually mean or what actions actually do. They operate under the presumption of, “If we say it, we are right, and we will shoot you for disobeying.”
Though it still amuses me that they actually, specifically “revoked” the previous letters… I wonder if they suddenly realized just how badly they were endangering the NFA.
January 17th, 2015 at 1:10 pm
A regulatory scheme to produce good results is one where everyone understands the regulations. This is not one of *those* regulatory schemes.
January 17th, 2015 at 8:05 pm
It is worth keeping. If you put a real stock on you pistol length AR, it is an SBR that has to be registered.
If you leave the Brace on your pistol length AR, it is a pistol as long as you don’t shoulder it. So you can keep it ready to go, legally.
Of course, if they just change the classification to “stock” from the getgo, then its useless as tits on a boar hog.
I wouldn’t sell mine until they do that. At which point, I will pitch it in the trash.
January 17th, 2015 at 11:41 pm
Linoge,
Suppose they did? Freaky, huh?
January 18th, 2015 at 1:48 pm
One of the common senses of the word “design” equates with “intent” or “purpose”. So if you repurpose something is not incorrect to say that you’ve redesigned it.
I’ll give F-Troop a pass on word usage, but fail them on the liberty test. F minus.
Far, FAR too often we get pulled down into arguing minutiae and esoterica. Some of us have often shown pride and arrogance in displaying our knowledge of rules and restrictions and clever ways of living with them, while ignoring the issue of usurpation. This will go poorly for us.
January 18th, 2015 at 5:05 pm
Any time you want to step up and be the test case for getting the NFA overturned, Lyle, you be sure to let us know.