Rand Paul supports status quo, everybody panic
He says vaccines should be voluntary because, you know, freedom is hard. In the US, generally, they are voluntary unless your kid goes to public school. Here’s the video. Kind of disappointing that he parroted claims by held by medical experts Jenny McCarthy and Barack Obama. But I did like how he handled the “journalist”.
Update: Tam: handing your opponents the sound bites required to paint you as flat-earther looney tunes. Golf clap.
February 3rd, 2015 at 12:45 pm
The public school part is the issue. Disappointed to see Rand Paul go down this path. When it comes to vaccines and autism it seems like the science really is settled. From what I understand thimerosal hasn’t been used in childhood vaccines in a decade.
February 3rd, 2015 at 2:00 pm
It’s not settled…been living with the results over 30 years. the “science” is done by Big Pharma and medical establishment research and now they want to impose their fascist system at gun point!
February 3rd, 2015 at 2:05 pm
Freedom is hard. Unfortunately, if we are going to be free, people will have the freedom to be stupid.
February 3rd, 2015 at 2:09 pm
Well, it turns out I’m a little bit autism spectrum (just a little) but I was a Lilly brat and dreaded to get a cut, because I’d be saturated with Merthiolate (their brand of thimerosal) which fucking hurt, worse than getting cut in the first place. I got a metric shit-ton more of it that way than I ever did from vaccinations, but I don’t blame it for my brain. Now, it’s pretty obvious that something is causing this, but thimerosal ain’t it. Same thing with type 2 diabetes; somebody’s figured out a way to cause it, and it’s now a quarter trillion dollar industry, so don’t look for a cure.
February 3rd, 2015 at 2:18 pm
Should be voluntary? I can support that well enough, though there’s even a libertarian argument for mandates, due to risk imposed on others. (See Nozick on mandatory car insurance.)
But “I’ve heard about ’em causing mental issues”?
Man should shut his talk-hole until he knows what he’s babbling about.
February 3rd, 2015 at 2:20 pm
The increase in cases comes from there being more diagnosed cases, and fewer indiagnosed cases.
February 3rd, 2015 at 2:30 pm
If anyone actually listened to the words Rand Paul spoke, he was NOT anti-vaccine, but said parents should be free to determine along with doctors which vaccines and when. The very early multiple dosed should be allowed to be CHOSEN as single doses later. As an EXAMPLE, he asked why should an infant be given a Hep-B vaccine??
Also, with this outbreak of measles among children, no one may question Obama opening the flood gates to tens of thousands of children from Mexico and Central America. One of the reasons for immigration laws which are being flagrantly and criminally violated is to protect us from diseases like this. But, oh no, that can’t be discussed. Just as with “Fast and Furious” blame it on and attack our liberties and go after U.S. Citizens with the threat of jail and guns!
February 3rd, 2015 at 2:52 pm
EXAMPLE:
As Bretibart reported:
“The Virginia Department of Education issued a memo to its 132 divisions this week outlining how schools should handle the expected influx of more than 2,850 illegal immigrant children. In addition to giving them “homeless” status, which comes with benefits under the Homeless Assistance Act, the state is also ordering schools to “immediately enroll” the students AND WAIVE THE HEALTH AND IMMUNIZATION REQUIREMENTS OF OTHER STUDENTS.
The memo to Virginia’s school divisions stressed the need to provide all children “equal access to an education” and highlighted the updated guidance from the Obama administration providing more flexibility on the documentation students need to enroll in public schools.
“Such equal access extends to children who come into the United States from other countries without an adult guardian. These children are referred to as unaccompanied alien children (UAC) in federal statutes,” the memo explains.
Oh, but nevermind, don’t ask to read the product inserts for your children’s vaccines, because you may be an anti-vaxxer that needs to be jailed.
February 3rd, 2015 at 3:20 pm
Sigh, you guys should really shut up about a subject you know absolutely nothing about.
Here is the government’s vaccine injury table.
Note that it says, encephalopathy. Yes, folks, encephalopathy causes brain damage. There is a (small) risk to brain damage and death, when you take a vaccine. Now in many cases that risk is lower than the risk of death from the disease, so you take the lower risk. However, that isn’t true for everyone. If you have egg allergies, for example, vaccines are quite lethal. These sorts of choices should be left up to the parents, because they know more about their own kids and care more about them, than some government official.
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccinetable.html
February 3rd, 2015 at 3:21 pm
Dude, you realize that latin america has a higher vaccination rate than the US? It isn’t immigrants bringing in these diseases.
February 3rd, 2015 at 3:42 pm
Oh sure, Doc, that must be why they waive immunization requirements for illegal alien children in our public schools. I’m sure the President agrees and.. “you can keep your doctor, you can keep your insurance and it’s gonna cost $2500 less per year”
http://www.aapsonline.org/index.php/site/article/deadly_diseases_crossing_border_with_illegal_immigrants
February 3rd, 2015 at 3:53 pm
Yes, Doc.
It can happen, at least in principle.
(Note that this study, among others, suggests that it might be simply false, no matter what an HRSA chart says.
See also here, here.
“The incidence of encephalitis or encephalopathy after measles vaccination of healthy children is lower than the observed incidence of encephalitis of unknown etiology. This finding suggests that the reported severe neurologic disorders temporally associated with measles vaccination were not caused by the vaccine.”
“Know absolutely nothing about”, huh?)
But absent a discussion of rates – even if the above studies and summaries are All Wrong, saying “it can! or “I’ve heard about!” is hysterical fearmongering, at the rate of one reported reaction per million doses.
It’s like saying “Vaccines can cause immediate death!” vis anaphylaxis.
It’s true, but completely irrelevant.
February 3rd, 2015 at 3:56 pm
“These sorts of choices should be left up to the parents, because they know more about their own kids and care more about them, than some government official.” –DocMerlin
I agree! But liberty frightens fascist control freaks.
February 3rd, 2015 at 4:54 pm
“It is impossible to speak in such a way that you cannot be misunderstood.” Karl Popper
I would add that it’s even less possible when the Leftist media intentionally quotes you out of context to advance their own agenda .
February 3rd, 2015 at 5:44 pm
Oh, the mental health “issue”. Yes, well, cause and effect notwithstanding, no doubt there are millions of cases of walking and talking children developing severe mental and other health issues after drinking pure water. Also there are millions of people who died after voting for a Democrat.
Yeah; Paul stepped into a flaming bag of poo there. It’s part of the rich Republican tradition that keeps Democrats forever entertained and in charge, even when they lose elections.
February 3rd, 2015 at 11:28 pm
What I find amazing is that any news report or article written never, ever states why this recent measles epidemic has happened?
Hell, it wasn’t that long ago when media/government told us all that measles had been eradicated in the U.S.
But hey, let’s not rush to judgement on Chairman Obama’s ill-conceived policy of open and porous borders, eh? Yeah, right…
February 4th, 2015 at 1:42 am
When full on autism approaches 1%, that’s, yeah, not Vegas odds, but I sure wouldn’t call it a “small risk” when you have to bring up a child with that kind of pathology. Don’t tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about; I may just be on the fringe, but it is relevant to my interests, and I’ve studied it. Not to say I could bring up that child; I don’t have that capacity and it would be a disaster, but I do have some understanding.
February 4th, 2015 at 1:05 pm
Mr Evilwrench, I’ve been doing it for 33+ years. With my son, the gradual developmental decline started with bad reaction after MMR vaccine. Back in those days, early 80’s, the correlation wasn’t apparent. After a couple of years, webwere told autism diagnosis which then was 1 in 10,000, but now it’s as much as I in 88. I would risk measles anytime! Medical establishment proposes many possible causes, but they KNOW it’s not the vaccines–they say. Now they say circumcision in boys may be a cause!! Yeah, sure!
February 4th, 2015 at 9:08 pm
DocMerlin,
“Dude, you realize that latin america claims it has a higher vaccination rate than the US?”
FTFY.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:34 am
Ron, there are so many factors in play here. Was it the vaccine itself, or some ingredient in the vaccine? Was it merely coincidental that it started at the time of the vaccination? I think we can treat measles, but the vaccine is still a better deal for most. The incidence has increased dramatically over the years. Some of that is probably due to better diagnosis, but I can’t help but think there’s just more of it for some other reason. I admire your commitment, keeping that up for 33 years; I sure couldn’t. Autistics don’t really get along well.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:23 am
Mr Evilwrench, from my research it is more likely the adjuvants and the administration of multiple (usually 3) dosed vaccines at very early ages. My son got MMR before or near 2 years. When we became concerned with his developemental decline and abnormal behaviors w now know to be autistic, my wife went back to pediatrician who dismissed it and said, “sit him in a corner and fan him with your hat”! At that time (1983) we did not connect it with MMR vaccine was relatively rare. When I was a child in 50’s, we got polio, small pox, tetanus, whooping cough, but in single doses at later ages. But now, when dime suggest that parents be selective in that way, they’re labeled as dangerous “anti-faxes” who should be taken at gunpoint and jailed! Such extreme measures are from reactionary fascists. I say fascist because it is pharmaceutical corporations, medical establishment with government’s guns to enforce their agenda rather than providing a service to a free and self-governing people.
BTW, whooping cough has been re-introduced by allowing a massive influx of people and children from Mexico and Central America where it is very prevalent by a derelict Federal Gov’t which refuses to do one of its few duties as mandated by our Constitution, (Article IV, section 4) but their attitude, as usual. Is to attack our Bill of Rights in further flagrant violation of their oaths of office!!!
February 5th, 2015 at 12:09 pm
A couple of typos in my #21: “dime” should be some and “anti-faxes” should be anti-vaxxers” …hard for an older guy to do the I-Pad thing.