And who manufactures the weapons for his security? Is he gonna have’em disarm so he can be a good Christian example? But why doesn’t he read and preach the pro armed self defense admonition so by Jesus, Luke 11:21 and Luke 22:36? And as Jesus said, …have ye not READ what was SPOKEN to you by God” Matthew 22:31
It’s sad when the head of a religion doesn’t know what makes a person Christian. But then, look at how many people the Catholic church raised out of poverty in the first 1600 years of its existence. Let’s see, if you weren’t a Pope or one of his prelates, uhm, the number is vanishingly small.
Then along came Protestantism and capitalism and secure private property rights (even against the Church takings) and voila!
I’m Catholic, and given all the crazy left wing stuff coming out of the Vatican lately, I almost suspect that the current Pope’s liberation theology has him doing his best to reduce the moral authority of the office and weaken the Church hierarchy.
Also, am I the only one who noticed that he said that weapons manufacturers are scum, and then two seconds later he was blaming the Allies for not bombing the rail heads at Auschwitz? If the reporter is to be believed, this guy says weapons builders are immoral, but then immediately contradicts himself by highlighting a moral purpose weapons can be used for…AND THEN HE BLAMED THE WEAPONS BUILDERS FOR NOT ACTUALLY USING THEIR WEAPONS (AND KILL A BUNCH OF PEOPLE)! SO, according to Francis, we’re immoral for building an army, because it’s immoral to use the army (but it’s also immoral NOT to use an army provided he says it’s immoral, 70 years after the fact).
I note with wry amusement, as a very lapsed Catholic, that this pope has certainly gotten your attention.
Next follows your conversion, then the requests for donations. Maybe a pew with a nice brass nameplate, or even a stained glass window dedicated to your parents?
I don’t remember a pope getting this much attention since the fall of the Soviets.
Gun makers sure can be Christian. Apparently they can’t be Catholic, or the Pope will play God and excommunicate them. But the Pope is NOT God. I’ll take Christ over the Pope any day.
Hey Deaf Smith, just gonna go on ahead and pick a nit.
Copernicus wasn’t excommunicated for exactly that reason. He was excommunicated because he continued to teach a sun-centered solar system, one of only like 11 competing solar models of the day, after the church told him to stop. The church had, and still has, a Vatican observatory, and the cardinal-scientists had asked Copernicus to put forth evidence enough to support his model before they would let him teach it. He, like many in his day, was limited by the lack of instrumentation and observational tools to test every theory. Without the ability to calculate or measure the distance to and size of stars, or show that what we know as the Coriolis effect exists, he would not have been able to put forth the evidence the Vatican had decided he would need to teach his theory. The problems came when he continued to teach his model, after being told to stop because at the time he couldn’t muster up the evidence for it. Eventually the Vatican went “not on our dime”, because he lived in and taught at Catholic institutions. Only when telescopes and math were able to catch up, was Copernicus vindicated. The church was just working off of what they knew at the time, and if anyone is at fault, its the Vatican astronomer who at the time said “there isn’t enough evidence”.
I am not trying to be a dick to you, its just that it bugs me when people bring up the whole Copernicus thing as a chip against the Catholic church, and I’m not even Catholic.
AGW has been called “socialism masquerading as environmentalism”* by the none other than Australia’s Prime Minister, so it makes sense that this Vatican would latch on to it for its social agenda.
*Personally, looking at its proponents, like Tom Steyer, Al Gore, and Leonardo DiCaprio, I think it’s cynical crony-capitalism, parasitism, and hypocritical dilletantism.
HL, yes, as predicted by the received revelation of the supposed first Pope, according to Catholic tradition:
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. –II Peter 2:1
The pope is an idol and his followers idolaters. This dude lives in a bubble of hypocrisy, surrounded by grand temples in his honor, built by a church that stood idly by while millions of jews were massacred.
His utter lack of knowledge about the war is a testament to his lack of knowledge in general. What you have here is a MAN who is trying desperately to cling on to relevance in a time where the vatican has become a tourist attraction not unlike the pyramids, interesting but ultimately useless.
The old system of centralized faith has gone the way of VCRs, Teletype, and newspapers. Faith is getting a major overhaul in this world, no longer are people looking to a MAN in a robe to tell them how to think about SCIENCE, nor do we seek a MAN in a robe to tell us how we should handle commerce.
The world seeks their theology from the masses,or they are forced to think for themselves for once. What we see here is a church following the herd of ignorance, not leading them from their own fates. FUCK THE POPE, he doesn’t speak for god… he speaks for is own hubris
Sigivald: “his first major theological blunder”
I recall his Twitter post about “social justice” which to me sounds like a major theological blunder as well.
Abt a year ago.
Societies do not enter heaven. Individual souls do. That is, if you buy into that sort of thing.
Next follows your conversion, then the requests for donations. Maybe a pew with a nice brass nameplate, or even a stained glass window dedicated to your parents?
Yeah. That’ll be the day.
I’ll stick to honoring the Most High. Maybe the pope will stick to religion.
June 21st, 2015 at 5:43 pm
In response the presidents of Maadi and IWI held a rare joint press conference and simply said, in response, “we don’t give a shit.”
June 21st, 2015 at 5:57 pm
And who manufactures the weapons for his security? Is he gonna have’em disarm so he can be a good Christian example? But why doesn’t he read and preach the pro armed self defense admonition so by Jesus, Luke 11:21 and Luke 22:36? And as Jesus said, …have ye not READ what was SPOKEN to you by God” Matthew 22:31
June 21st, 2015 at 6:59 pm
Swiss guard needs to go empty handed then.
Gods, this pope is a populist jackass.
June 21st, 2015 at 7:00 pm
Gun-wielding saint, anyone?
http://www.gunsaint.com/history.asp
June 21st, 2015 at 7:25 pm
Just another hypocrite politician with a dorky hat.
June 21st, 2015 at 7:56 pm
mikee, thanks for the great link!!!
June 21st, 2015 at 8:04 pm
Martin Luther was right. The Pope is the Anti-Christ.
June 21st, 2015 at 8:51 pm
He makes me happy to not be a Catholic. I was suspicious of a Pope from that Peronist socialist crap-hole.
June 21st, 2015 at 9:15 pm
Time for thesis number 96.
June 21st, 2015 at 9:52 pm
It’s sad when the head of a religion doesn’t know what makes a person Christian. But then, look at how many people the Catholic church raised out of poverty in the first 1600 years of its existence. Let’s see, if you weren’t a Pope or one of his prelates, uhm, the number is vanishingly small.
Then along came Protestantism and capitalism and secure private property rights (even against the Church takings) and voila!
June 21st, 2015 at 10:15 pm
I’m Catholic and I am embarrassed by this nitwit.
Now the Pope is considered infallible, but only at CHURCH DOCTRINE.
That is the scripture. He is not infallible in things like science, history, psychology, etc..
And as everyone knows, the Catholic Church excommunicated Copernicus, cause he figured out the world revolved around the sun and not vice-versa.
So you can safely ignore what the Pope says about weapon manufactures. Especially since his own guard uses them.
June 21st, 2015 at 10:28 pm
It’s not even the Pope. It’s a bunch of soft-handed, soft-voiced, sissy boys in dresses who put this nonsense together.
June 21st, 2015 at 10:29 pm
if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
June 21st, 2015 at 10:32 pm
Blessed be the LORD, my rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle. Psalm 144
June 21st, 2015 at 10:35 pm
I’m Catholic, and given all the crazy left wing stuff coming out of the Vatican lately, I almost suspect that the current Pope’s liberation theology has him doing his best to reduce the moral authority of the office and weaken the Church hierarchy.
Also, am I the only one who noticed that he said that weapons manufacturers are scum, and then two seconds later he was blaming the Allies for not bombing the rail heads at Auschwitz? If the reporter is to be believed, this guy says weapons builders are immoral, but then immediately contradicts himself by highlighting a moral purpose weapons can be used for…AND THEN HE BLAMED THE WEAPONS BUILDERS FOR NOT ACTUALLY USING THEIR WEAPONS (AND KILL A BUNCH OF PEOPLE)! SO, according to Francis, we’re immoral for building an army, because it’s immoral to use the army (but it’s also immoral NOT to use an army provided he says it’s immoral, 70 years after the fact).
Deep thinker, this guy isn’t.
June 21st, 2015 at 10:59 pm
I note with wry amusement, as a very lapsed Catholic, that this pope has certainly gotten your attention.
Next follows your conversion, then the requests for donations. Maybe a pew with a nice brass nameplate, or even a stained glass window dedicated to your parents?
I don’t remember a pope getting this much attention since the fall of the Soviets.
June 22nd, 2015 at 12:04 am
Gun makers sure can be Christian. Apparently they can’t be Catholic, or the Pope will play God and excommunicate them. But the Pope is NOT God. I’ll take Christ over the Pope any day.
June 22nd, 2015 at 12:37 am
Hey Deaf Smith, just gonna go on ahead and pick a nit.
Copernicus wasn’t excommunicated for exactly that reason. He was excommunicated because he continued to teach a sun-centered solar system, one of only like 11 competing solar models of the day, after the church told him to stop. The church had, and still has, a Vatican observatory, and the cardinal-scientists had asked Copernicus to put forth evidence enough to support his model before they would let him teach it. He, like many in his day, was limited by the lack of instrumentation and observational tools to test every theory. Without the ability to calculate or measure the distance to and size of stars, or show that what we know as the Coriolis effect exists, he would not have been able to put forth the evidence the Vatican had decided he would need to teach his theory. The problems came when he continued to teach his model, after being told to stop because at the time he couldn’t muster up the evidence for it. Eventually the Vatican went “not on our dime”, because he lived in and taught at Catholic institutions. Only when telescopes and math were able to catch up, was Copernicus vindicated. The church was just working off of what they knew at the time, and if anyone is at fault, its the Vatican astronomer who at the time said “there isn’t enough evidence”.
I am not trying to be a dick to you, its just that it bugs me when people bring up the whole Copernicus thing as a chip against the Catholic church, and I’m not even Catholic.
June 22nd, 2015 at 7:46 am
@NJGunGuy:
But the Church has no problem refusing to even hear the evidence against man made global warming, because they are so science oriented.
June 22nd, 2015 at 9:12 am
If the office of POTUS can be filled by a “Manchurian Candidate”, is there any reason why the Papacy can’t be held by one?
June 22nd, 2015 at 10:32 am
AGW has been called “socialism masquerading as environmentalism”* by the none other than Australia’s Prime Minister, so it makes sense that this Vatican would latch on to it for its social agenda.
*Personally, looking at its proponents, like Tom Steyer, Al Gore, and Leonardo DiCaprio, I think it’s cynical crony-capitalism, parasitism, and hypocritical dilletantism.
June 22nd, 2015 at 11:02 am
HL, yes, as predicted by the received revelation of the supposed first Pope, according to Catholic tradition:
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. –II Peter 2:1
June 22nd, 2015 at 11:27 am
I bet all those folks working in the Brescia Valley are super thrilled with him right now.
June 22nd, 2015 at 12:06 pm
Leviticus 26:1
The pope is an idol and his followers idolaters. This dude lives in a bubble of hypocrisy, surrounded by grand temples in his honor, built by a church that stood idly by while millions of jews were massacred.
His utter lack of knowledge about the war is a testament to his lack of knowledge in general. What you have here is a MAN who is trying desperately to cling on to relevance in a time where the vatican has become a tourist attraction not unlike the pyramids, interesting but ultimately useless.
The old system of centralized faith has gone the way of VCRs, Teletype, and newspapers. Faith is getting a major overhaul in this world, no longer are people looking to a MAN in a robe to tell them how to think about SCIENCE, nor do we seek a MAN in a robe to tell us how we should handle commerce.
The world seeks their theology from the masses,or they are forced to think for themselves for once. What we see here is a church following the herd of ignorance, not leading them from their own fates. FUCK THE POPE, he doesn’t speak for god… he speaks for is own hubris
June 22nd, 2015 at 5:22 pm
He was being a pretty good Pope until now.
(Oh, I mean, he was dead wrong about lots of things outside of his theology.
But this is his first major theological blunder, that I’ve heard of.
Pope’s job’s to do theology, after all. Posturing about “global warming” is just a side dish and irrelevant to the Pope-ry.)
June 22nd, 2015 at 10:06 pm
Sigivald: “his first major theological blunder”
I recall his Twitter post about “social justice” which to me sounds like a major theological blunder as well.
Abt a year ago.
Societies do not enter heaven. Individual souls do. That is, if you buy into that sort of thing.
June 23rd, 2015 at 11:01 am
Next follows your conversion, then the requests for donations. Maybe a pew with a nice brass nameplate, or even a stained glass window dedicated to your parents?
Yeah. That’ll be the day.
I’ll stick to honoring the Most High. Maybe the pope will stick to religion.