We need a list of people who’ve protected themselves or others through the use of tobacco. Then we can do a better job of comparing costs and benefits.
By inference we have a right to be free of knives, clubs, big sticks, rocks, groups of young thugs, tanks, cannons, atom bombs, rockets, …. illegal aliens, robbers, murders, thieves, kidnappers, etc…
Right E.J.?
So how you gonna enforce the right to be free of guns? Have cops use guns? Kind of circular logic.
“The right NOT to bear (carry) arms” ? You already have that. Just waive the right and don’t carry. It’s called pro-choice. And you can deny that right or any right on YOUR property.
Wilsonian progressives forcibly asserted a right to be free of Negroes. A “social hygiene” thing. This being an era of racial healing and all, I’m discomfited at how often I have to remind progressives of that.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. – 9th Amendment, Bill of Rights
Declaring additional rights is OK because rights are something you exercise by and for yourself, NOT something restricted or denied to others. There is NO right to be free from others exercising their rights, other than by your right to remove yourself from the “offensive” activity.
“Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law,’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.” –Thomas Jefferson to Isaac H. Tiffany, 1819.
I actually do have the right to be free from any and all Progressives or other collectivists/authoritarians, or at least from any and all of their coercive laws and policies. THAT actually is in the constitution.
Our founding principles are all being turned upside-down of course, and it’s only “fair” in the eyes of the authoritarian. WE have enjoyed protection from THEM for a long time, and now it’s only “fair” that THEY receive protection from OUR demands for liberty.
This Progressive insanity started officially in the U.S. around the year 1900, and was going in ernest by 1913.
If our grandparents and great grandparents didn’t have the wherewithall to do anything about it, then the question “What are WE going to do about?” comes to mind.
What do we have that they didn’t have, that will allow us to overcome what they could not, or would not, overcome?
Their right to be free from guns, which they will want to be enforced by people with guns. All the Left’s “rights” require depriving other people of their rights.
“All the Left’s “rights” require depriving other people of their rights.”
Exactly, and this goes all the way back to the beginnings of the Progressive era. Actually a lot farther back than that. The “Second Bill of Rights” proposed by FDR is but one example;
“Employment, with a living wage
Food, clothing and leisure
Farmers’ rights to fair income
Freedom from (and there it is; “freedom from”) unfair competition and monopolies
Housing
Medical care
Social Security
Education”
Each and every one of those requires some form of largess be coercively extracted by the government from some people and handed over to someone else.
Obama’s use of the term “Charter of Negative Rights” is of the same mindset. He was complaining that the original Bill of Rights only says what government can’t do to you, and so you see; they view liberty as shackle of oppression– It means they don’t get to do the things they want to do.
I’ve said it before; both sides see themselves as would-be liberators. They also see the other side as criminally insane, when it comes right down to it. That doesn’t mean they’re both right though, of course.
One side want “freedom” from what is right so they can do wrong, and other wants freedom from wrong, to do right.
That’s the conflict, in its purest from, though of course there are many people distributed somewhere in between, sitting in confusion, being distracted by all the silly assertions, lies, half truths, accusations, cat-calling and general stupidity.
I call it the Battle of the Two Alliances, for there are only two. Choose one, and understand it.
I find it absolutely amazing that E.J still has a freakin’ job. With about a few hundred readers who actually buy into his bovine scat, I guess the WAPO has an acceptable loss policy.
There are more head-shaking and LOL lines in that drivel posing as journalistic opinion than even E.J. himself could shake someone’s di…stick at.
I believe in the “right to be free from guns.” I believe it is an individual right. If you don’t won’t a gun don’t buy one! Some people choose not to exercise their right to vote; others ignore their right to free speech. It should be the same with guns.
The “right to be free of guns” is in the same category as the so-called right to not be offended and the so-called right to a free living at the expense of the working folks.
I’ve many times heard libscum squeal that those last 2 are indeed “rights.”
June 25th, 2015 at 7:27 pm
and filled with lies
June 25th, 2015 at 7:41 pm
Or those morons could grow a pair of balls. Just sayin’.
June 25th, 2015 at 7:55 pm
A right to be free of idiots.
June 25th, 2015 at 7:59 pm
When I read “the best path to better laws is to foster a revolution in popular attitudes”, I laughed so hard I had tea coming out my nose.
June 25th, 2015 at 8:56 pm
We need a law to force them to own guns, just like they made a law to force people to buy insurance.
June 25th, 2015 at 9:03 pm
We need a list of people who’ve protected themselves or others through the use of tobacco. Then we can do a better job of comparing costs and benefits.
June 25th, 2015 at 10:08 pm
Yawn.
A “right” for everything these days. People don’t value the rights they’re guaranteed by the Constitution, why make up fake ones?
June 25th, 2015 at 10:38 pm
By inference we have a right to be free of knives, clubs, big sticks, rocks, groups of young thugs, tanks, cannons, atom bombs, rockets, …. illegal aliens, robbers, murders, thieves, kidnappers, etc…
Right E.J.?
So how you gonna enforce the right to be free of guns? Have cops use guns? Kind of circular logic.
June 25th, 2015 at 10:56 pm
As yes, the right to be free from guns. It’s right there in the bizarro bill of rights after the right to shut people up.
June 26th, 2015 at 7:27 am
“The right NOT to bear (carry) arms” ? You already have that. Just waive the right and don’t carry. It’s called pro-choice. And you can deny that right or any right on YOUR property.
June 26th, 2015 at 7:58 am
We can find gun-free zones for them, where they’ll never even hear a gun unless they try to climb over the fence.
June 26th, 2015 at 8:04 am
Wilsonian progressives forcibly asserted a right to be free of Negroes. A “social hygiene” thing. This being an era of racial healing and all, I’m discomfited at how often I have to remind progressives of that.
June 26th, 2015 at 8:26 am
There are already plenty of gun free zones where mass murderers can operate with impunity–as they have done in the other shootings.
June 26th, 2015 at 8:58 am
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. – 9th Amendment, Bill of Rights
Declaring additional rights is OK because rights are something you exercise by and for yourself, NOT something restricted or denied to others. There is NO right to be free from others exercising their rights, other than by your right to remove yourself from the “offensive” activity.
June 26th, 2015 at 9:03 am
A “made up right” is fine as long as…
“Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law,’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.” –Thomas Jefferson to Isaac H. Tiffany, 1819.
June 26th, 2015 at 6:39 pm
I actually do have the right to be free from any and all Progressives or other collectivists/authoritarians, or at least from any and all of their coercive laws and policies. THAT actually is in the constitution.
Our founding principles are all being turned upside-down of course, and it’s only “fair” in the eyes of the authoritarian. WE have enjoyed protection from THEM for a long time, and now it’s only “fair” that THEY receive protection from OUR demands for liberty.
This Progressive insanity started officially in the U.S. around the year 1900, and was going in ernest by 1913.
If our grandparents and great grandparents didn’t have the wherewithall to do anything about it, then the question “What are WE going to do about?” comes to mind.
What do we have that they didn’t have, that will allow us to overcome what they could not, or would not, overcome?
Hmm? Anyone?
June 26th, 2015 at 6:43 pm
Their right to be free from guns, which they will want to be enforced by people with guns. All the Left’s “rights” require depriving other people of their rights.
June 26th, 2015 at 7:21 pm
“All the Left’s “rights” require depriving other people of their rights.”
Exactly, and this goes all the way back to the beginnings of the Progressive era. Actually a lot farther back than that. The “Second Bill of Rights” proposed by FDR is but one example;
“Employment, with a living wage
Food, clothing and leisure
Farmers’ rights to fair income
Freedom from (and there it is; “freedom from”) unfair competition and monopolies
Housing
Medical care
Social Security
Education”
Each and every one of those requires some form of largess be coercively extracted by the government from some people and handed over to someone else.
Obama’s use of the term “Charter of Negative Rights” is of the same mindset. He was complaining that the original Bill of Rights only says what government can’t do to you, and so you see; they view liberty as shackle of oppression– It means they don’t get to do the things they want to do.
I’ve said it before; both sides see themselves as would-be liberators. They also see the other side as criminally insane, when it comes right down to it. That doesn’t mean they’re both right though, of course.
One side want “freedom” from what is right so they can do wrong, and other wants freedom from wrong, to do right.
That’s the conflict, in its purest from, though of course there are many people distributed somewhere in between, sitting in confusion, being distracted by all the silly assertions, lies, half truths, accusations, cat-calling and general stupidity.
I call it the Battle of the Two Alliances, for there are only two. Choose one, and understand it.
June 26th, 2015 at 10:29 pm
I find it absolutely amazing that E.J still has a freakin’ job. With about a few hundred readers who actually buy into his bovine scat, I guess the WAPO has an acceptable loss policy.
There are more head-shaking and LOL lines in that drivel posing as journalistic opinion than even E.J. himself could shake someone’s di…stick at.
June 26th, 2015 at 11:59 pm
I believe in the “right to be free from guns.” I believe it is an individual right. If you don’t won’t a gun don’t buy one! Some people choose not to exercise their right to vote; others ignore their right to free speech. It should be the same with guns.
June 27th, 2015 at 11:53 am
But Chuck, you’re talking about liberty. And there is a paranoia regarding it both among the ruled and especially, the elite ruling class.
“Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.” –Thomas Jefferson
June 27th, 2015 at 6:32 pm
So leftists are demanding a right to be time-travelled back into the 13th Century?
I’m somehow OK with this.
June 27th, 2015 at 7:13 pm
“So leftists are demanding a right to be time-travelled back into the 13th Century?
I’m somehow OK with this.”
Sending them to Pluto would be OK too.
June 28th, 2015 at 2:41 am
The “right to be free of guns” is in the same category as the so-called right to not be offended and the so-called right to a free living at the expense of the working folks.
I’ve many times heard libscum squeal that those last 2 are indeed “rights.”